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Morning Devotional...


The Lord appeared again in Shiloh.        1 Samuel 3:21


In this world where things are constantly changing, sometimes it's good to have an "again" like this in one's life.

Jonah needed it--he had fled from God's presence (or so he thought!) but God wasn't finished with him. That is why the word of the Lord came to him again (Jonah 3:1).

In our verse, Samuel had the experience of a midnight call from God, the trauma of a family crisis, and the beginning of his ministry.

In such times of change we need, on a regular basis, to enjoy and expect the renewed presence of God in our lives.

Wait on Him and He will meet your need--again.
                                                                                 --Craig Funston--


In our sickness and our health,
in our want or in our wealth,
If we look to God in prayer,
He is present everywhere.
--Oliver Holden--
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Anthony

Meika said:

QuoteIt is a wory for me when everyone will want to pray for me here. I wonder if I do something SO wrong that God must help. It is a puzzle to me at times.


Meika, even if we have been christians for 40 years we need the Lord to guide us and protect us every day of our lives.  We are helpless without His help, so we come each day to pray for ourselves and for those who God puts on our hearts.  There is a sense that all christians are like babes in that we cannot face the temptations of the day in our own strength.  Don't worry too much about people praying for you, I hope they pray for me too - I really need it :)

Anthony.

Anthony

The devotional this morning was so wonderful.  The preacher at our church last Sunday mentioned that backsliding can occur very gradually.  Firstly we usually become less regular in our private devotions, i.e. we knock off prayer and bible reading.  How I need to truly wait upon the Lord throughout each day.

Thanks for putting the devotional up Pat.

Anthony.

tenderheart

Good morning everyone.....wow just finished going over yesterday's posts....my goodness it took me 1/2 an hour to read them all.....whoooweee....what great questions you  ask Mieka....and what great answers have come about through your questions.

About talking to and worshipping the cross....I think Pat answered that very honestly....God does tell us in His word that we should not worship idols....anything that is manmade and anything that is not God...there is only one true God and He is invisible in the physical sense...but the whole world shouts out His praises in many ways.

Good morning to you Anthony....good to see your post so bright and early and I pray you are well and things are going good with the new camera.....God bless you brother and yes we are praying for you on a daily basis.....:)

Great devotion Pat....quite often we tend to flee from God's presence when we decide to do things our own way and in our own timing cause we are impatient and lacking in trust .....I am always doin that that the Lord is sooo patient with me....but He also reminds me through His word that what I am doing is not right....anything that we do that takes us away from Him is sin.....so we always need the prayers of others to help us.....
Paulette.

Anthony

Paulette, I was so surprised to see you posting so early in the morning.  I hope that all is well with you.  I tend to agree about your views on idolatry.  It is also true that things that are not tangible can be idols to us too.  I hope no-one misunderstands me with what I am about to say, but some of the thoughts expressed on Mother's day cause me to wonder sometimes.  When I think of some of the mothers who live by me I don't see anything magical about them.  Many of them need a good spanking they are so naughty and anti-social.  If we set any group of people up on a pedastle, we are in danger of idolising those people.  Idolatry can show itself in many forms.  We must be on our guard against all forms of idolatry.

Thank you for your prayers Paulette and please tell Jen that we are thinking of her very much.  She is sorely missed.

God bless,

Anthony.

Pat


Good Morning Everyone...

Lots to do today so this is a "just drop in and say 'Hi'" visit to you all!

Great to see you Paulette and Anthony!

Have a good day everyone!


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Janet

Good morning to all!

I am stopping in to greet all of you and wish you a great day---today and tomorrow.  We are leaving around noon to go and move Curtis home from college for the summer.  Tonight we will stay at my youngest daughter's in Salina, then on to Manhattan in the morning.  We will probably get home rather late tomorrow night.  At least, that's the plan!

I'm here earlier because we didn't go for our usual swim this morning. :(

Larry, I am thinking of you and hoping for good news.

Janice, how is Earl today?  We are still praying for you both.

My book Rising Above available at JanetDamon.com

Papa John

Good morning.  Good to see each one today.  Pat, thanks for the devotional.  When I read it I thought of how God used to speak to his people through prophets but now God comes to us today through Jesus Christ.

1 Sam 3:20-21  And all Israel from Dan to Beersheba recognized that Samuel was attested as a prophet of the LORD. The LORD continued to appear at Shiloh, and there he revealed himself to Samuel through his word.  (NIV)

Heb 1:1-2  In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,  but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.  (NIV)

Anthony, I understand and appreciate what you said about worshiping our mothers.  I believe there is another sense in which we worship our mothers and there is nothing wrong with it.  We love them, respect them, and honor them.  
Rom 13:7  Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. (NIV)

I hope you all have a good day today.

--- Papa John    ;D          

 
Eph 2:8-9  For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast.(NIV)


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Marilyn

Good Morning Anthony Paulette and Janet. By the way just where has Jen been? I am going in to work for a couple of hours this morning because I need 2 more hours to make my hours up to 50 for the pay period, then I am going to get my hair trimmed for the last time before I leave here in July. It is cloudy here in the desert this morning and it is predicted that there will be thunderstorms and a light chance of rain even though it is expected to be 85 F later today. So after I shut down the computer I will be unplugging it as well.Don't want to take any chances of power surges wiping it out.

Pat thank you for the devotional today it is so crucial that we depend on God and seek His face in all that we do. So manytimes Christians, though they do not realize it, depend on themselves instead of trusting in and waiting on God. There are times when I am guilty of this and God has to spank me to bring me back to wait upon Him. He spanks me through His word. Well of to the other forums here.  
TTYL
"Good people take care of their animals, but even the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel" Prov. 12:10
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Larry Hanna

Hi everyone.  I have just read through the messages that I had not seen for yesterday plus those posted already today.  

Mieka, I don't believe we can have to much prayer offered in our behalf.  I also know that many people have prayed for me and I will never know who they are but I certainly do receive comfort in knowing that is happening.  

Pat, another great devotional and I particularly liked the little poem at the end.  Thanks for posting these each day.

Janet, I know you will be glad to have Curtis home for the summer.  Doesn't the school year go by quickly.  Our traffic situation in our little town is so much easier when school is out and it gets out on the 28th.  Anyway, hope you have a nice trip and don't lift anything too heavy, let Curtis do the lifting.

I am trying to get things rolling on the EECP treatments but from something I read on the web last night I may have to wait awhile since I just had the heart catherization.  I have a call in to the place that does the treatments and hope to hear back from them today.

I will try to get back later.  Hope everyone has a good day and those that are ill have a better day today.

joan

Good Morning to all!  Meika does ask good questions and good answers have been given.

Received an email from Russia yesterday about a new convert of one year, Natalie, who is under persecution from her family and friends for becoming a Christian.  Prayers for her are requested.

Hi to Pat, and thanks for the great devotional.

Hebrews 4:13  "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight.  Everything is uncovered and laid bare befoe the eyes of him to whom we must give account."


Pat


Hi Joan!  I'm so happy that your posting problems are all ironed out now.  We'll have to remember to pray for Natalie in Russia.


Great to see you posting, Larry.  Keep us posted on the treatments, ok?


Thanks for the added little devotional, Papa John.  I liked what you said about Mothers as well.  I sure enjoyed my weekend with my kids.


Marilyn, will you get another photo taken after your new "do" at the hairdresser?  


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Al Moak

The word that has come to my mind is the word superstition.  My dictionary defines it as "a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation; an irational sbject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, ..."  The reason God prohibited idos, etc. was superstition - He knew that we have a strong tendency toward "fear of the unknown," etc.  And He knew that we have a tendency to "worship" what we fear.  If there is any of that in anything we do, then there is a tendency to idolize, and we must try our very best to avoid any such thing.  I personally know that I might have a superstitious tendency, so I don't use the cross, statues, or any such thing.  I will not judge others in this regard, though I might warn my brothers/sisters not to place themselves in positions that might result in idolatry because of our weaknesses.  The Word of God, pure and objectively complete is enough for any of us - we need no other reminders.  May God therefore turn our eyes upon the written Word and through it reveal Jesus to us. And may that move us to worship only Him.

Marilyn

May 14, 2003, 11:35:24 am #13 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 11:43:21 am by Marilyn
Pat you probably won't even be able to tell I've had my hair cut. I am letting it grow and my hairdresser has only been trimming it while the layers grow out to get it all one length. But I will take my camera and have her take a photo, then as soon as my new cable arrives I will download and post it. BTW Pat, I hear you are a collector of recipes.

Sonja How is Zachery doing with his new diet.?

Janet I pray you will have a safe trip.

Joan I will remember Natalie in my prayers.

Papa John thank you for you additions to the devotional. I remember that the comandment of "Honor thy father and thy mother" comes with  promise of a long life. I feel that by celebrating Father's day and Mother's day we are obeying that commandment. WE are not idolizing them but honoring them.

My grandchildren gave me a Jesus night lite for Christmas a year ago. I have told them that Jesus lives at my house. They have also given me angel figurines as gifts. Thier other grand mother is  making a collection of fairies for my g-daughter, which I do not approve of, but I have said nothing about it. If you recall they are a  different denomination than I and I see things that they do that I would not do. But I am not their judge, that is between them and God. I am not the "worldly" person I used to be, I got rid of all the secular tapes and movies that I had and have replaced them with all Christian music and movies. It is a rare thing to hear secular music in my house.
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Etta Sue

Mieka ~
QuoteI only talk to the Buddah like I talk to the other things in my life. He is not at all a Idol for me. I know it is a bother for some that I have him at all, because I am from China and it is a culture there.

My life is quite different today. I am a Christian, I will try hard to be a good one. I have still Many many many questions.

I think I am still on the right path.


I was trying to put myself in your shoes.  When you came to America, did you bring very many possessions with you?  (No need to answer that) I don't know what kind of life you had in China but you surely do have some good memories of life there.  IF I were to go to a different country and was not able to take many possessions...what would I take with me?  I would take the things that were most dearest to my heart at that time.  We all change and we all learn.  Thank God, you are learning of Jesus and that He is the I AM.  Even still, us humans have a tendency to hold onto the past even when we know that the past is gone.  

I think I have the right thoughts but I am terrible at putting my thoughts into words at times.  I know we are not to store up possessions so why do we have homes that hold more than the necessities of life?  I am sitting here thinking, if I were to move into a one room apartment (or nursing home  :(), what would I take with me that would fit into that room?  

Mieka ~ I truly believe you are on the right path.  We are both about the same age in our Christian life.  We are both learning.  God Bless You.

Anthony ~ I may not understand your meaning on Mother's Day.  I didn't/don't idolize my mother.  I didn't/don't worship my mother.  I did/do respect my mother.  I do/did honor my mother.  I don't remember of ever being angry with my mother that I would not talk to her.  She was my mother.  There are just some things that I could not say or do against my mother no matter what she did or said.  The same goes for my father.  I don't know about other parents, but I respected and honored mine.  And I wouldn't put my parents in the same group of ALL parents.  Mine were special... ;)

Marilyn ~ After your new do, why don't you practice taking a self/time lapsed image of yourself!  

Larry ~ I am so glad to see you posting this morning.  I truly want to believe that if we knew how many were praying for our behalf, we would be astounded!  My prayers are with you.

I had a wonderful early morning talking with Ivalou.  We have such a great friendship and I am so thankful that I am just 50 steps away.  She is my sound board...we can discuss just about anything.  We could fix the whole world if the whole world would listen to us.   ;D  :D  ;)

It is cool and gloomy in Indiana.  A great day to get a good book and read.  I started 'Armageddon' last night.  Sounds like a great day to get into it more.

God Bless All of You and I pray I have not offended anyone with my posts.  

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Sonifo

May 14, 2003, 11:50:38 am #15 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 11:51:31 am by Sonifo
Good Morning everyone!

It is a beautiful day here.  I can't wait to go outside and play.  hehe..

Anthony~What are you plans for the day?  Are you loading up with those batteries.  :o ;D  Are you taking pictures for the new challenge on DPC?  I have taken some.  I think I will take some more later today.  I am never satisfied.  ::)

Marilyn~Zachery is doing better with his diet.  I spoke with a nutritionist or dietition, what ever they are called and we found out more about what he can and can not eat.  And lettuce is something he should not be eating.  All his fruits and vegies must be cooked, this is just untill his intestines heal.  About 3 months.Thanks for asking.  
I am so excited for you about your camera.  I can't wait to see the pictures.  What is taking that mailman soooo long!!!   ;) ;D

Hello Pat, Papa John, Joan, Larry, and tenderheart.  It is good to see you posting.  
I hope you all have a good day.  

Etta Sue

Al ~ Thank you for your words.  I know there are somethings that are old sayings that WERE very much superstitions at one time...Knock on wood...don't walk under a ladder...throw salt over your left shoulder if you spill salt...say "Bread & Butter' if you are walking with someone and a pole or something comes between you...step on a crack, break your Mother's back...etc.  You know, I still say and do some of these things but they are not done because I believe I will have good luck or bad luck.  They are just sayings that have been handed down through the years and bring memories of the past seeing my granddad throwing salt over his shoulder, mom knocking on wood, playing on the sidewalk at school, walking hand in hand with my first boy friend and being around ladders on this farm as a kid.  God knows what is in my heart and what I am thinking.  Words are just that...words for teaching and learning.  It is our thoughts that have meaning.  Am I wrong?

Also has anyone noticed that when you post, the next page is your post on that forum?  I like that.




Etta Sue

It didn't do it that time.... :(




Pat


Hi Etta Sue!

(That's a great postcard by the way! and I really mean that!)


As far as posting a message, I went to the Control Panel last evening and ticked something that said "Return to the Topic" so hopefully this is what you're speaking of and I like that too.

I'll see if it happens with this post!


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Pat

May 14, 2003, 12:07:00 pm #19 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 12:08:28 pm by Pat Scott
Yep!  I like that too!

It takes you after posting to the bottom of the page where your post is.

Glad you like it.

So many people like me have typos that we'd like to correct but not seeing our post, we didn't see our mistakes or errors in whatever we were saying so hopefully this will help us edit, etc.    (HAHAHA!  It was really for me I did this!  LOL)



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Etta Sue

Good morning, Pat.  I noticed it last evening when I was posting my postcard.  I really like that.  Saves a little time when posting.

And thank you very much for the compliment on the post card.  It was fun doing and a learning experiment also.  I have done that with my Greeting Card software but this was a first with PSP.  We all need warm fuzzies once in a while.




Sonifo

I am going to have to try it now and see if it works.

Sorry Etta Sue for taking you spot. ;D


Sonifo

It didn't work for me.  oh well I don't mind clicking into  New every morning and the on 2 page and then scrolling down.  Really it isn't a bother at all.  

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mieka

they are both a very nice cards. Ms Etta Sue, you did not take long at all to do yours. I fear I might not have time to do one for these two challenge. I will be going away next week and I have much to do still. (and i do not have a camera this week)


Anthony

Well, it's good to see everyone posting today.  I have just returned from visiting a friend with multiple sclerosis who is having a particularly bad time.  His name is Nigel if anyone would like to remember him in prayer.  He is a strong believer and full of faith, but is really having trouble.

Sonja, I still haven't got my camera back from the shop yet.  They are acting very badly and I hope they will return my goods soon.

With regards to honouring mothers.  I don't like honouring particular groups, because within all groups there are evil people.  So to set a group of people up as being special doesn't seem right to me.  It is right to show respect to our parents, but there are some male parents too and I do not understand why mothers are shown more respect than fathers.  This to me is being involved in the sin of respecting persons.  I realise that people will disagree, but I feel strongly about these things and I am glad that churches in the UK don't give gifts out during mother's day, we just treat it like any other worship service and devote our time to praising the Almighty God.

Well, I am off to look at the other forums and to see if any more photographs have been posted.

Anthony.

mieka

 ??? It is a strange thought to me Mr Anthony.

I will honor you as my friend and give you a flower.  ;D I think love should be everywhere and I honor the ones I love and respect.
I know I am to Honor my Mother and Father.
I hope God will undarstand I Honor the ones I think of as My parents, every day, and on mother/father day too.

Pat

May 14, 2003, 12:40:44 pm #26 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 12:41:58 pm by Pat Scott
Well, Anthony, if you click on the calendar above, you'll see that over here we have Father's Day on June 15 and I forget but there's Grandparents' Day too somewhere along the line.

These days were very special to Jack and I during our 40 years of marriage and Jack taught the kids that honouring their mother was something that they should do always but it was so nice to get a special card and maybe a plant on Mother's Day.  

And I did the same for Father's Day.  (Grandparents Day is something that for me is relatively new).

Cards for Jack and I were very, very special little momentos during our life and we shared them every opportunity we could get.  Some of our times in the 40 years together were very poor ones indeed as far as our income was concerned and when gifts were definitely out of the question but always a card could either be purchased or made and I cherished each and every one of them I received.  I still have many of them too.

I know that when we lived in Ireland, Mother's Day and Father's Day were almost unheard of but instead there was a "Mothering Sunday" where mothers were honoured during a church service but nothing like we have over here but Jack and I still recognized these days and in fact, I had cards for his parents flown over so that we could celebrate their day with them.  



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Sonifo

Mieka, That was a great reply.  You are so good with words.  

Anthony~there is a Father's Day too.  It is next month.  

I agree that there are bad mothers and bad fathers out there that do not need to ge honored, but there is those good parents that try hard to do what God wants.  I think those parents should be reconized and honored.  They go through a whole year of getting up going to work or preparing dinners, getting kids dressed and schooled.  Never mind.  I guess you have to be a parent to understand the meaning behind it.  :)

Pat

Well, I'm off to dig up some raspberry canes to make room for my Square Foot Gardening boxes.  If I don't do it now, it will be too late to plant anything!

Talk to you all later!


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Marilyn

I am sending the camera back today.
1. it is not the one I ordered.
2. the flash doesn't work.
3 the modes don't change like they are supposed to.
4. IT IS A PIECE OF JUNK AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.

What do I want with a camrera that doesn't do what it is supposed to do. I called the company and got the retuned Merchandise address and wrote them a letter telling the what is wrong with it. It is a childs toy. Can  you tell I am upset. Now lets all pray that they send my order ASAP so they will have a satisfied customer.
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Etta Sue

Anthony ~ I am sorry that your country and church doesn't honor Mother's Day or Father's Day.  Again, I look for the good in things, not evil.  Even the evil mothers and fathers may be special on their days and this may help them overcome their evil.  Besides, Exodus 20:12 states that we are to honor your father and mother, so that you may live long in the land the lord your God is giving you. NIV

Mieka ~ I wish I could write words like you do.  Your words said exactly what I would like to have said... :-* :-*

Marilyn ~ So sorry about your camera.  Go to WalMart and get you a camera.  They are becoming more reasonable (cheaper  ;)) every day.  You really don't need all the bells and whistles to take a good picture.  God gives the beauty for our taking.  

I am noticing the 'return to topic' works on the others but not NEM.  Could be because it is 'new' every day.




Anthony

Etta Sue it isn't correct that the UK does not celebrate mother's day or father's day, but we don't give time during a church service to give presents out.  Some of our mothers have not yet come to Christ and are therefore still in their sins - according to the word of God (not my words, but God's word). It would be inappropriate to praise people who are evil.

Just out of curiosity, do your churches give presents to men on father's day?  I know that in the UK father's day is being given nearly as much thought as mother's day, but it has been slow in coming.  When I was a child there was no such thing as father's day.  Now if you are not celebrating father's day as church thing, in the way that your churches celebrate mother's day, are you not guilty of being respector of persons?  

Another point is that the written pieces shown on CP over the mother's day period simply honoured mothers, but how can christians honour certain groups when large numbers of people within those groups are evil?  If we write poems and prose to mothers shouldn't we, as christians, restrict the sentiments to godly mothers only?  If we don't do this, then we are praising those whom God is not praising (it will be interesting to note if there will be any pieces of prose written in favour of fathers during the father's day celebrations).

I am sorry if I offend, but I feel very strongly about these things and would not be honest if I said I wasn't.  (BTW, I did also mention a friend of mine who was very sick during my last post, I hope your concern over defending mothers doesn't prevent you from lifting him up in prayer.  I would greatly appreciate prayer for him at this time).

Anthony.

joan

This morning I mentioned a Russian teen who became a Christian and is suffering persecution for that.  Her name is Natalia instead of Natalie.  I sent this website to her via missionaries in Russia.  Hopefully, she will join us here.  Thanks also to those who are including this new Christian in their prayers.

Marilyn

Anthony: In my church the mother's received gifts AFTER CHURCH as they were leaving. I don't remember if the father's received gifts last year or not. The gifts we did receive were not anything frivolous (sp) but something useful. We got measuring cups and a fancy vegetable peeler. And our speacker was a missionary, her talk was about her mission.

Last year Pastor gave all the mothers a small  starter begonia plant. My died. I over watered it. :o
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Sonifo

So Anthony what you are saying is that if anyone sin then they should not be praised?  My kids sin and yet I should not praise them?  My husbands sins and I should not praise him.  My pastor sins and I should not praise him?  You sin and I should not praise you?  It doesnt make sense.  If people did not praise one another then we would walk around it a very depressing world.  

Being a parent is the hardest job any one could have.  We have to teach our child what is right and wrong.  Yes we do make mistakes and sin.  Yes sin.  If I was to say I did not sin then I would be the biggest liar here.  I do and God knows we can not go with out sin so he gave us his Son to die for our sins.  I wish I was perfect, I really do.  

I feel that if my kids did not honor me or their dad then I think I would be teaching them wrong. Don't you think??  

Sonifo

Our church gave out flowers to all the mothers and on fathers day they give out a tube of grease.  heheheehee..not really they give a card to the fathers.   ;D

Etta Sue

I had a post all typed out but I refrained from posting it.  I have my beliefs and others have theirs.  I don't believe that this site is meant to change anyone's beliefs.  We are to honor God and His Son, Christ Jesus.  The Holy Spirit tells me that.  

Question.  What if you are a Christian but your parents are not Christians.  Are you to honor them?  Or do you exclude them because they are not Christians?




Pat



Joan, I've changed the name in my prayer list of Natalia in Russia.  It will be so nice if she's able to come to our site.  Thanks for sending the URL with the missionaries.


I added Nigel to my list earlier, Anthony, when you mentioned his need of prayer.   Thanks for mentioning this need.  I've also added him to our "Have You Prayed About It?" area where we'll have him in our site more often.


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Etta Sue

Natalie....such a pretty name.  If you are reading this, I pray that you will join us.  Some days we are very funny in what we say....some days very serious.  But we truly believe in Christ, our Savior.  

Welcome, Natalie....




Sonifo

Etta Sue~Great question!  I don't think it matters if we want to honor or not honor our mother or dad.  I think we should no matter what, because God says so.   It is hard to honor those who treat other and ourselves badly but God says to love one another.

I guess in a way it is all about forgiveness. ::)


Jane Walker

May 14, 2003, 04:55:20 pm #40 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 04:58:30 pm by Jane Walker
Sonja
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I guess in a way it is all about forgiveness.
Yes, indeed!  You have the sum of all things Jesus teaches in this statement!  Bless you .. and all the others here.   :-*

If you notice He gave only two commandments in all His teaching ... to LOVE and to FORGIVE
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Anthony

If your churches honour fathers in the same way that they honour mothers, then their is no partiality being shown.  I could join in with that, but if one group is being given preferential treatment my conscience would prevent me from joining in with it.  I also think that our time during a service should be spent in worshipping God alone and not praising men and women.  If stuff is given out after service, perhaps  that is more acceptable.

I think that you can tell that I don't like pieces of writing that present mothers as being flawless, because it is simply not true and our christian walk should be guided by what is truth.  

Now, I am glad that you allowed me to get that off my chest and when father's day comes I will try to find something appropriate to acknowledge their hard work.

Pat, thanks for remembering Nigel.  He is a wonderful christian brother who is going through a tough time at the moment.  He collapsed in the bedroom and was unable to lift himself.  He spent all night on the floor and had to call 999 in the morning.  Thank you for your prayers one and all.

Anthony.

Carol

CP hasn't been forgotten.  My life is quite busy right now.  It is interesting and good to read the posts and good to see questions and well-thought out answers.  

Our oldest son called to tell us that a neighbor/friend has committed suicide.  Very sad.  He had two years of health problems that have not ever been diagnosed and apparently very painful.  I don't know any other details.  It is especially meaninful to me as this son rarely shares his feelings.  

God is in control.  

Carol


Carol

I shall add a story about yesterday.  Hubby drove to the mountains for a meeting - it is a 3 1/2 trip each way.  On the way uphill, in a isolated rest area, he stopped to use the facilities.  It was locked and he climbed a big snowbank to go around the back and came back and stepped on what he thought was clear - but turned out to be ice.  Lost his footing and fell hard on his side.  Not a soul around but thankfully, he didn't hit his head.  He chewed Tylenol and had to drive back so much in pain.  Today is much better - it could have been a real emergency in the snow and so isolated and I would not have missed him for hours to come.  Praise and thanks.  Carol

Papa John

Joan, thanks for telling us about Natalia.  I will pray for her.  Sometimes it is very difficult for people who become Christians when their families don't understand.  

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Praise God, Carol your husband is alright.

Marilyn

Carol: I pray your husband will heal quickly and there will be no after effects  of his fall. Praise God that he was able to get up and get home safely.

Natalia if you are looking in here, We are praying for you. God Bless you sister. Don't ever give up praying for your family's salvation.
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mieka

:-\ Mr Anthony, I do not want for you to be unhappy that I share my thoughts with you. I do love you as my friend and brother here.  - Here is a nother flower for you, ok  ;D

It would be inappropriate to praise people who are evil.  ???

If we are not to judge them, how are we to say anyone is evil? Perhaps if we love everyone and praise everyone there will be no evil in "OUR" hearts. Is it not ourselves we are try to make perfect in the eyes of God?

It is my wonder why you feel so strong of this. I did not even know my mother, I am not certain even how or if I should honor her. I do not know if she is good or evil. But it is still written to honor my parents.  ??? I do not know how to do it yet. I think "I" need to forgive them. It will allow more room in my heart for better things.  :-\

Jane Walker

May 14, 2003, 07:05:37 pm #48 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 07:07:02 pm by Jane Walker
MIEKA~
QuoteI think "I" need to forgive them. It will allow more room in my heart for better things.  


It is very important that you forgive others...no matter what.  Jesus said as we forgive we will be forgiven by our Father in heaven.  It is for your good that you release others of any retribution or hard feelings of unforgiveness.  Let God deal with them, you need His love and forgiveness and He plainly says "forgive us ... as we forgive others." Matthew 6:12.

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Papa John

May 14, 2003, 07:21:03 pm #49 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 07:35:22 pm by Papa John
 Mieka expresses in a simple way something maybe we should all do good to think about
QuoteIf we are not to judge them, how are we to say anyone is evil? Perhaps if we love everyone and praise everyone there will be no evil in "OUR" hearts. Is it not ourselves we are try to make perfect in the eyes of God?

It is my wonder why you feel so strong of this. I did not even know my mother, I am not certain even how or if I should honor her. I do not know if she is good or evil. But it is still
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Anthony, you have a right to feel the way you do.  It is right to express your convictions and I love you for your desire that everything be done right in the eyes of God.  I don't understand why, like Mieka, that you feel so strongly about this.  We honor our leaders in government and pray for them as the Bible teaches.  But they aren't all honorable men and women.

We can praise people for the good they do.  

1 Cor 11:2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.  (NIV)

But we do not praise them for things they do which are not right.  There was a time when Corinthian Christians were not observing the Lord's supper as they should.

1 Cor 11:22  Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not! (NIV)

In any case I hope we will not be disturbed because there are differences of opinion.  We show people we are His if we have love one for another.  Right?

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May 14, 2003, 07:31:32 pm #50 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 07:41:50 pm by Etta Sue
Love and forgiveness.  The two most important items we have.  Christ told his disciples, "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any towns of the Samaritans.  Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."  Matt 10:5-6  "For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly father will also forgive you." Matt 6:14

Mieka ~ I love your thought.  
QuoteI think "I" need to forgive them. It will allow more room in my heart for better things.  
Isn't that the truth.  When we think bad about others, then it gets a grip on us.  Think good things and the whole world is better.  




Etta Sue

Carol ~ Thank you for sharing your praise to God for guiding your husband when he was isolated in the mountains and snow.  God does watch for his children.  I pray your husband is okay and has no ill effects from his fall.





mieka

Quote from: Etta Sue on May 14, 2003, 04:37:49 pm

Question.  What if you are a Christian but your parents are not Christians.  Are you to honor them?  Or do you exclude them because they are not Christians?


You will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. ;D

If we are to be fisherman of people, everyone must be welcome, yes?  If we shame them because they are not Christians they will never want to be a Christians.
They might not wish to spend time with a Christen, but i think a Christians should welcome even the least of these my brothers.

Marilyn

May 14, 2003, 07:51:46 pm #53 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 07:53:31 pm by Marilyn
In the bible it says Honor your father and your mother.  It doesn't say If they sin do not honor them. I feel we should obey God's commandments. That include Honoring both Father and Mother. Of evil things God Says To pray for those who dispitefully use you. and that vengence belongs to the Lord.  I am paraphrasing here but it also says, if your enemy is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him a drink in so doing you are heaping coals of fire upon his head. So if our parents have done bad things to us then we are to let God handle the situation and we are to forgive them anyway, and to pray for them.
There have been things in my life with my step father and husbands that were evil things and very sinful things, it took me getting saved and reading the bible to understand that I still had to forgive the past wrongs done to me by those men in my life. Since most are dead now I had to pray and tell God that I forgave them. The ones still alive I forgave in person. One is now saved that was an answer to prayer in itself. He apologized to me and asked forgiveness years after I told him he was forgiven.
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Etta Sue

No one is born a Christian.  That is something that we have a choice in doing.  We all have to start somewhere.  We are happy at our church to see new people.  I gain great joy in watching people grow in Christ.  You can see their demeanor change.  Their backs are straighter and their smile is honest and wholesome.  They take pride in themselves.  My greatest joy in church is to see someone being baptized.  Another sheep in the fold.  My one regret was that I waited so long to be baptized and professed that Christ is my Lord and Savior.  

It is never too late to accept Christ but could be too late NOT to accept Christ.  




Judy McKenna

Sonja:  BTW - that is a beautiful photo you have here on CP.  Is it a self photo?  You did a great job.  Was it taken in your garden?

Pat - did you get the gardening done?  Today we went to Walmart to get some garbage pails, and a bath mat (exciting day ;)).

I'm glad to see our church recognizing mothers and fathers on "their special days"!  Mothers received a rose when the service was over., and special mothers were recognized.

One dear lady was recognized....she is 96, and never misses a church service.

"I am too blessed to be stressed".

Jerry L. Sowers

Papa John ~ Another lovely photo of you and Cornelia!

Judy McKenna

Hi Jerry... I agree with you!
"I am too blessed to be stressed".

Sonifo

Papa John~you are so knowledgable in the bible. I hope to be as good as you some day.  It is so hard to remember all the verses.  How do you do it?

Mieka~The best way to forgive others is to put yourself in their shoes.  It helps to think of why they do somethings.  I have faith that you are on your way to great things with your attitude.  It is great to see you learning a taking in so much at one time.  Keep the questions coming. It makes us all think!  :D ::)

Judy~Thank you so much.  Yes it is a self portrait.  And no it was not taken in my garden.  It was taken in the park down the street from our house.  While taking this picture I dropped my camera. But it still works good.  Thank God.  I had the camera on a picnic table.  

It is good to see everyone posting and sharing their thoughts.  


Papa John

Thank you Jerry and Judy.  I cut that picture out of one which was made last year at the wedding of my granddaughter, Martha Nell.  BTW another granddaughter is being married this Saturday.  This will make the third granddaughter to marry.  Our last one is getting married in July.

Sonja, thank you for the compliment.  I have been a student of the Bible more than 50 years and still have much to learn.  I can remember that the Bible says this or that somewhere and when I can't remember just where I just look it up in a concordance.  I have a great Bible program on my computer which helps me to look up scriptures.

I attended a great Bible class tonight at church.  I hope you all have a good night's rest.

--- Papa John    ;D          <:))))><<

 
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May 14, 2003, 11:25:32 pm #60 Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 11:26:25 pm by Marilyn
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