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Morning Devotional...


All Thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia.
Psalm 45:8

When a person is dear, everything connected with them becomes dear.

So precious is the person of the Lord Jesus in the estimation of all true believers that they consider everything about Him to be beyond all price.

There is not a spot where that hallowed foot trod, there is not a word that those blessed lips uttered, nor a thought that His loving Word revealed, which is not, to us, inestimably precious.
--Peter J. Pell

Good Morning, Ria, Chris, and Jenny! (((hug)))

It was a good day and now I need to get to bed.

Talk with you all tomorrow and have a fun time at church.
Soni

Welcome Mike!

Hi  Pat, Sonja.  Thanks for the welcome! :) Bear with me ,  well you know what I mean. there is no bear here.outside,maybe well there could be,I guess. OK I'll stop here and rest.

YOU WILL ENJOY IT HERE.     GOD BLESS

Ruthie

Hello Everyone,

I know that I am new and you all haven't heard much from me. Between work and the kids it's been hectic and I just hope to get to know all. This site is so positive and I really pray that it will help with my walk with Christ.

God Bless you and keep you,

Megan

Music in church..........

The best way to guage whether music is proper or not, is to ask one's self four questions......

1...Does the music glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, or self?

2...Is it entertaining, or is it worshipful?

3...Would you sing it standing before the throne of God Almighty?

4...And, would the heavenly chorus sing it?

Perhaps one more might be added.  Can you envision Jesus Christ singing it with you?

If but one doesn't pass the test, is the music proper?

Hello MIke, and welcome aboard.

                      John 6:37

"The one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out."

These are the words of Jesus Christ.  The Saviour of the World.

Your friends may have forsaken you.  Your family may have disowned you.  You may feel that you have made too many mistakes in life but Jesus promises you, He will not turn away from you.  He loves you.  Call His Name friend.  He is so near.  He just wants to hear you call out for Him. He longs to set you free. He will set you free from your chains.

Today is the day of your Salvation.

Thanks Pat for a beautiful devotional.

How often I smell a perfume and think....Oh My Mother or Oh Nanna Beebee or Oh  Nanna Lewis or Ron...Loved ones who have passed on.

How Mary and the others must have longed for Jesus before they realised He had risen from the tomb. I can imagine Mary His mother holding onto one of His baby toys and weeping over it...or nestling upto one of His garments to smell His perfume......I have done this and I have wept many tears for a departed loved one in  this way., Lavender and Lilies of the Valley are especially poignant perfumes for me.

It can be comforting to smell the perfumes which we associate with our loved ones when they are not near us any more.


"There is not a spot where His hallowed foot has not trod"...Indeed.  I have some precious soil from Olivet and from Bethlehem....Tangible proofs., but more than that I have my faith in Jesus Christ and "Him crucified"  which is more precious than gold or silver.

                ...................

Sad news on the Radio yesterday..
Birds are disorientated.  They are laying their eggs out of season because of the damage to our Eco system.

News also..

The coral reefs will be entirely wiped out during the next Century.

Good Morning THE LORDS day 11.43 in Holland

PAT thank you for the devotional this
morning  and very nice Hymn's yesterday
"IN CHIST THERE IS NO EAST OR WEST" AND
"AND CAN IT BE THAT I SHOULD GAIN"

and i like the Teen Room but i am not a Teener more

SONJA A VERY NICE PHOTO OF LILA MAE for VALENTINE

ZACHERY also a nice photo of you.


I have done the creche work by the church there are coming children from 0 - 3  31/2 years
There is every week an older woman and 2 young girls
I have give the baby's the bottle and after that we have played with the other children. It is lovely work.


PSALM 97 : 2
Clouds and darkness surround Him

    "CLOUDS AND DARKNESS"
Once, the Bible was just so many words to us -
"clouds and darkness" - then, suddenly, the
words become spirit and life because Jesus
respeaks them to us when our circumstances
make the words new. That is the way God speaks to us; not by visions and dreams, but by words.

                                    OSWALD CHAMBERS

I wish you all a Blessed Sunday
Bye Love Ria

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            MIKE TO CP

                    RIA :)

Running late!!!  Gotta go!!!  Be back later!!!

Going to listen to worship music....old/new doesn't matter as long as we are praising God!!!

Hi everyone.  A special welcome to Mike, glad you are joining with us.  Megan, it was good to see you posting again.  

Zachery, thanks for the special Valentine card that you made for Nards and me.  

Speaking of Valentines, I just saw this today and it came from Pat's cousin and when I saw it I wanted to share it with you all:

The discussion on music brought to mind the Lord's Prayer.  At least in our church it is a part of every worship service.  Is this being repetitious or following what Jesus told us to do?  Personally, I don't feel that we sing the old hymn so often that they become repetitious as the hymn book is large.  I don't dislike the newer praise type music, except don't like to hear the same words and tune repeated over and over again.  I also like to be able to hear the music over the instruments but have to admit that sometimes the organ can overpower the singing.  

This is Senior Sunday at our church.  About 20 senior citizens will make up the choir and do the special music.  Following the service we have a special luncheon provided to the senior with entertainment provided by the Atlanta Youth Choir, which is a group of highly talented young people.  They use our church as a practice location so we get to hear them in our service 2 or 3 times a year and they also provide smaller groups for things like our senior banquet.  

It rained all day yesterday and is doing so again today.  Dreary is the word for it.

Good Morning: Pat thank you for the devotion and Jenny for your additional words of wisdom.

"This is the day the Lord hath made and I will rejoice and be glad in it.'' " Rejoice and again I say Rejoice."

I am so looking forward to going into the sanctuary this with the prayer team and worship team praying together as we do every Sunday Morning. Spending that special time with our Lord is wonderful beyond description.

See you all later.

I am dressed and ready to go to church.  Darrel says he is taking me to Liberal to eat at the Golden Corral after church, for Valentine's day!!  Yippee!!  It is really rare that he wants to go out to eat!

Curtis is home, and I can't wait to get some of his great hugs!  And Mark's and Abby's too, of course.  Grandkids are great!  ;D

I love the praise songs and choruses, but do not like too much repitition either.  Some of the old hymns, the ones WITHOUT doubt, fear and unbelief, I love, but some I can barely tolerate, if they talk about me being an old unworthy worm.  I WAS but now I am NOT.  And the contemporary Christian music may as well be the world's music, as far as I know, because I cannot understand a word they are singing!  There are exceptions to that, of course.  Okay, that's my 1c worth.  (Not worth the whole 2c!  ;)

I need to get off here and go!  See you later!

WELCOME, MIKE!!  WELCOME MEGAN It is good to have you both posting!

Our friends are those who know their own faults well enough to forgive us ours.

Lee, can the music be entertaining and worshipful?  I agree, though, the first measure is "Does it glorify Jesus."

Nita made a good point last night.  A lot of the traditional music is about Jesus (Victory in Jesus, I Love to Tell the Story, Are You Washed in the Blood, There is a Fountain, A Mighty Fortress, etc), but the focus of the "new" music is to Jesus (Shout to the Lord, I Worship You, Lord I Lift Your Name on High, I Exalt Thee, As the Deer, etc).

As far as tune/music repeating, I am really not trying to argue here, as I like the old hymns, but in a lot of the  ones I know, the tune is repeated, and the words (ie -- chorus) are repeated as well.  Bernard tells me I just haven't heard the repeatedness of some of the praise teams that are out there.  I suspect that is true, and just because it is new, doesn't mean it is not good.  "A Mighty Fortress" was new too, one time, ya know!  :P  ;D  Also, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.  If you don't like the presentation of the song, don't count the song as being "bad."  I have heard some renditions of "Old Rugged Cross" that I wanted to burn!!  but, that didn't meant the song was bad.

Please, please, please, don't think I am arguing, or trying to stir something up.  I really do like both kinds of music (if there are only two).  I enjoy hearing them, singing them, leading them.  We go to a church where there is absolutely no praise music, all old hymns (shaped notes!), and I am the choir director!!!

Amazing the conversations we get into in here!  But it's good to hear the various opinions isn't it?


Just wanted to let you know that our second challenge for the month of February is now open...

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Larry - I think the answer to your question about "vain repetition" is simpler than we'd think.  Repetition is "vain" when it's meaningless repetition, not just when it's repetitive.  I mean it's what we make it.  When you repeat one of those choruses for the 3rd or 4th time, what are your thoughts?  Are the words still meaningful to you?  Then they aren't "vain."  So also things like the Lord's Prayer - it's what you put into it that counts.  If you're repetition of those words is killing the meaningfulness of it for you, then it's "vain." But that's up to you, not the worship leader.  Now, of course - it is up to him to think about human nature and to construct the service so it's best likely to help true worship.  But if he's not going to do that, and if you're not going to talk to him about it, and if you're not going to pray for him about it - then it's up to you what you do about it.  You can make it vain.  You can make it meaningful.
I pray that truly Christian worship leaders everywhere will indeed think about what they're doing and that they'll shape the service so that it's most likely to help people worship.  I pray that truly good, harmonius music, music whose cadence is conducive to worship, to awe, to reverence, etc. - will more and more be used by Christians.  But right now - today - it's up to me what I do with it.  Oh may I be worshipful, and may I thus be pleasing to Him.
There.  Off the soapbox for the day.  God bless our worship!

Ready to go to church now. Enjoying all the comments about the music. All I really know is that I like to sing the songs TO Jesus telling Him how much I love HIm. Even if the words are repeated over and over a few times. Someitmes  The Holy Spirit is so close to me that the words and music  enhance the power. Call it emotionalism if you like. But I don't think so.

4.10 p.m.England.

Hi Marilyn, Hi Pat, Hi Larry, Hi Pastor Al......and all....

I have just got back from a short ride...very short because I saw some "park friends" and we talked and talked., by which time I was freezing up and home was the only wise answer.  Bob is blind and he and his wife Theresa have been shut in too during this Winter.They said they had been thinking of me..as I had of them.
Bob has difficulty accepting that our sufferings do not come from Jesus...Mind you he loves to "wind me up".  I have learned to speak to him as the Lord leads.  Theresa and he have been to church this morning but her faith is of a different substance than his...

On the return journey I saw another "friend", George on his bike.  He is a lonely old batchelor..a bit eccentric but I try to share a few lifting words with him.  He is one of those few people you meet of whom can be said there is "no harm in him"., If you know what I mean!

I have fed my cats and my dear little Sunday doggie and I have prepared the veggies for tonights meal as Chris will be home about 7 p.m.  I might have mine and warm his when he gets in...I am hungry...

Oooh...Hello Zach, says she in eager anticipation..ha ha! ;)

Time now for some more Bible study and prayer..

t.t.f.n.

Love Jenny.

I think you have made an excellent point, Al.

I was just thinking about the music issue and came to this conclusion.  It really isn't about the music.  When person A makes a statement about person B's music, person B feels like the statement was about them.  

I'm just going to go ahead and say "names."  Marilyn is of a more charismatic persuasion.  Their style of worship is very emotional and outward.  Pat seems to be of a more traditional persuasion -- quiet and internal.   It is easy to see how they could have some "issues" during worship.

However, I have learned that whilst I might not agree with everything Marilyn believes (or she, me), I can't discount her "style" of worship.  If it draws her closer to Jesus, and helps her to feel Him, then that is what she should do.  If it helps someone else to worship better by being in a more subdued environment, then so be it.  When we get to Heaven, how much fun it will be!!!!!!

I will also say this.  There are times when singing praise songs is emotionalism.  There are also times when singing the "old" songs is just dead.  
It is a matter of the heart.  I think God would rather hear a pure heart singing a praise song, than a hard heart singing a hymn.  Vice versa.  I think God would rather hear a pure heart singing a hymn than a hard heart singing a praise song.  

Karma~ I totally understand!   ;)  It is all about our relationship with the King of Kings.  Sometimes I go back and look (really look) at the words of the "old" songs and marvel that they say so well how my heart feels.  It's as if they are brand new all of a sudden!  God looks on the heart, after all!  ;)

Pat:  Great Devotional


About Christian Music I love it all, of course some more than others and I do feel that the most of us will relate better to the ones we grew up with.  

Today is a beautiful sunny day, a little on the cool side but the soul is lifted up none the less.

It is Pizza at our house for dinner this evening you are all invited.


Ruth

Did I open a can of worms or not...Whew!!!  I'm almost sorry that I broached the topic, but then again, healthy discussion is good.

I know that Pastor Al caused me to think with his comment yesterday and Larry re-inforced it.

I was looking at my side of the story (selfish me!!)  I really do like a lot of the praise hymns that we sing (and yes, we pay a fee each time we print the words or put them up on a screen)

I guess my real objection is to the NOISE!!  We went from people who sat up front (we wanted to be where the action is) to sitting as far away as possible  from the overhead LOUD-speaker.  I even turn down my hearing aids.

I still don't clap my hands (that's my problem, not theirs or yours)  I don't jump up and down in the aisles....I do think on the words, but sometimes its it hard to get anything out of "NaNaNa  Naana." even after singing it 5 times as we did this morning.

I also realize that I am now part of the "Old bunch"...my time is past or passing....."Out with the old and in with the new."  So I do not object all that often.  

No one wants to hear this old man anyway.........I know I know....... nobody's sayin' that...but it doesn't keep me from thinkin' it.

THANK YOU ALL FOR RESPONDING TO MY QUESTION "IS IT ME?"
There is plenty of room in our services for all types of songs of praise, and no need for so much repetition, it's just that I sometimes feel that things get dumbed down, even in church,
and I hate  feeling as if I should sing over and over the same chorus's like a zombie!
I can say that some old hymns move me to tears, and so do some modern chorus's, but it's just that for some reason worship leaders ask us to repeat some songs over and over as if doing this will bring some kind of ecstacy, which it seldom does.
If you dont strike oil  after a few repetitions, then stop boring! lol. :) ;)

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Eddie, glad you brought up the subject as it has provided a good topic of discussion today.  I think Al is right on with his wise comment and that it depends on the person.

We had a wonderful morning at church as our Seniors composed the choir and sang "When I Survey the Wondrous Cross" in a two part arrangement.  Following a fine sermon the seniors went to our youth center that was beautifully decorated with a valentine's theme and enjoyed a delicious lunch.  We were then entertained by 11 young ladies of highschool age, who are a small group from the Atlanta Youth Choir.  They sang about 6 numbers for us and were very enjoyable.  

Jenny, it sounds like you know some very interesting people.  Hope you didn't get chilled.

Janet, hope you had a great lunch at Golden Corral.  We often go there with our friends.  They have a senior special on weekdays from 2-4 pm for $4.99, including the drink.  Sometimes we combine lunch and dinner when we go about 4 pm.  Their food is usually very good.

Well I have need to work on some webpage updates and a brochure for our Sunday School class so guess I had better get busy.

Hi Ed...

Don't feel badly.  It wasn't just you.  I see that Chris has said that he asked the original question "this time"!  We've been through this discussion many times in New Every Morning!  lol  

I guess we'll never ever agree and that's fine.  We've all got our own feelings on this one and as I grew in my Christian life through the years, I never thought I'd be in the minority on something--especially in the singing of hymns and spiritual songs--but I don't mind!  Not at all.  

The hymn that you mention, Janet, (about "a worm such as I") is one of my favorites and if David could refer to himself as a "worm", I guess it's ok for us to do so every once in awhile.  ;)  I'm certainly not perfect and never will be on this earth.  None of us are without sin...not on this earth.  One day we Christians will be perfect--perfect bodies--free from illnesses and free from disfigurments--free to worship a Holy and wonderful God in person!  I can hardly even think about it without tears as I type...this person who is NOT worthy the least of His favour.




Anyway, I hope that you are all having a wonderful Sunday--kissing and hugging grandchildren--kissing and hugging your own children--smelling the wonderful odors from the ovens in your homes--eating in great places that I've never even heard of--or lying nursing sore backs (like I'm doing!).  Whatever you're doing, have a great time!

I've been trying to get caught up on my Paint Shop Pro lessons and I haven't got very far.

Don't forget to look at our latest challenge.  Don't forget to look at the fantastic family photos from Sonja and Mike.  And for goodness sake, make sure you look at Janet's underwater photos from her diving trip.  They are marvelous.

God bless you all.  It's great to have these discussions.


What's our next one?


Hmmm...  We could talk about the best translation of the Bible!   ;)   or we could talk about .... hmmm...  let's see ... Women in men's clothing!  ;)  or let's think...  driving our cars on Sundays!!!  ???  or ....   ;D


Well, as you can see there's lots we could talk about!

Talk to you later!

Karma I have no objections to what you have said. Yes I am of the charismatic persuasion and at times get just as emotional over the old hymns as I do the newer songs. Songs of both kinds, depending on the words, will bring tears to my eyes. There are a lot of the old hymns that I dearly love, How great thou Art, Amazing Grace, Where would I  Go, It is Well With My Soul and many others.

Today I received a couple of gifts from my secret pal at church, in one of them was a can of chocolate covered cashews, which I am sitting here eating as I type. MMMMgood.

Hi Larry!  Man!  you guys have wonderful sounding restaurants down there!  There's Janet in one and you speak of it and I've never heard of it.


Marilyn, send some of those cashews my way!  I love them!

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1.  Faith is the ability to not panic.

2.  If you worry, you didn't pray.  If you pray, don't worry.

3.  As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home every day.

4.  Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.

5.  When we get tangled up in our problems, be still.
God wants us to be still so He can untangle the knot.

6.  Do the math. Count your blessings.

7.  God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.

8.  Dear God: I have a problem. It's me.

9.  Silence is often misinterpreted, but never misquoted.

10.  Laugh every day; it's like inner jogging.

11.  The most important things in your home are the people.

12.  Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional.

13.  There is no key to happiness. The door is always open.

14.  A grudge is a heavy thing to carry.

15.  He who dies with the most toys is still dead.

16.  We do not remember days, but moments. Life moves too fast, so enjoy your precious moments. (Like the saying: "Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but the number of times your breath is taken away.")

17.  Nothing is real to you until you experience it, otherwise it's just hearsay.

18.  It's all right to sit on your pity pot every now and again. Just be sure to flush when you are done.

19.  Learn from the turtle -- it only makes progress when it sticks out its neck.

20.  Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.

21.  Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.  "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."




 
 

Thanks, Marilyn!  That just made me feel a LOT better :)

Hello, all.  It's been a rough day here at the Shuford house - Karma and I are both sick with the bug that Travis had :(

Love you guys!
Bernard

Oh, my goodness, Nards!  That's not allowed!


Travis be a good boy and let Mummy and Daddy rest!  LOL



Marilyn, I'm copying those for sure!  I like number 4!

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Travis be a good boy and let Mummy and Daddy rest!  LOL

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's "letting" us rest, but he has been a real sweetheart.  He's a great kid :)  Of course, he is asleep at the moment.  When he wakes up, things may change :-)

I guess it is time to move on from music in church. :)  But I do have another thought. HAHA

First, Lee........your post said it all.  It was perfect.  That is exactly the kind of worship I want to be involved in.  I love the thought that Jesus could sing with me.  Or the angels.
And I wouldn't want to  sing anything that I couldn't sing before the throne.....because, actually, that's just what we're doing.

Al.......yes.  That's what I wanted to say. :)

Poor, poor Fast Eddie.  Oh, you dear.  NaNaNa.....Naana???  Not wonder you are bored with this.  Is that actually in a worship song?  I, too, sometimes feel that I am in the elder saint catagory......because I don't like the noisy style of worship.   I remember when I got saved,   the music songs were accompanied by an acustic guitar player. (well, he wasn't acustic, but his guitar was) So simple, and so beautiful. No can of worms, dear brother, just exploring who we are......all children of God.  You go right ahead and say what you like.  We are family.

Marilyn, I confess to getting emotional too.  Only for Jesus, though.  I'm not an emotional person, but I pray I never move past getting emotional about loving on Jesus.  That's my nature.  Others reach deeply within and are silent.  Both are worshiping the Lord.  I am both, I think.

Good posts about music.  I've been blessed by them all.    We are as varied in our expressions as the beautiul colors and shapes of the flowers our Lord made.  Aren't we colorful?  I'll leave any comments on our shapes to another discussion. HAHA

 NO, Pat!  Let's don't talk about the best translation of the Bible.  I've been to too many chat rooms (when I was first looking for CHristian sites)where that was "discussed".  It was terrible. Being "right" was the most important thing.   But I like the NKJ, Message, LB, Ampified,  and others. :)

A good worship leader is just as in touch with his/her audience as the pastor is during delivery of the sermon.  

A bad worship leader has a plan that he/she concocted up during the week and follows the plan in SPITE of the Holy Spirit trying to direct him/her in the best way of worship for that particular service.  

Fast Eddie, as a guy what plays a little in a worship band of a sort, I am so sorry for your experience.  When worship becomes boring, the leaders desperately need to reconsider their approach - REGARDLESS OF THE MUSIC STYLE.  I am all with you in that the "Nanana" songs  - which are GREAT at youth camps, really don't fit in an adult worship service, except maybe every now and then as an "ice breaker" or "loosen upper".  We have gotten so warped and wrapped up in the idea of "worship music" being a style that we have forgotten how to lead a congregation into the presence of a Holy God.  Worship has nothing to do with a musical style - it is a heart condition.  I would love to just jackslap a few "worship leaders" who have no more true heart for worship than they do.  LEAD US TO GOD, dude!!!!!!!  Don't sing me a song - show me the path to the throne.  

Okay.  That's MY soapbox, and I know it's a little different than the rest of the discussion, but there it is. :)

Hey everyone!! What's going on arooun in this part of the site?

Anything new? or exciting?

Zac

Yes Zach...

I am here...Very exciting! Ha Ha....Poor old lady!!!  ;)

Just going off to bed now it's 11.25 p.m....You will be having your evening meal now I expect.  

Hope you are feeling better today dear ..

Love Jenny.

Music in church.  I read some about this before rushing off to church this morning.  About loud, repetive music.  

Uh, I go into the Christian Life Center.  The Praise Team comes on stage.  With seven singers on stage is the piano, the electronic organ, a couple of guitars, a harmonica and electric drums...yes, electric drums.  Now I am not a musical person.  I maybe know the words to two songs...the chorus to 'Jesus Loves Me' and 'Row, Row, Row your Boat'!!  I can't play an instrument unless you count tapping your foot as an instrument.  We don't use hymnals, we have two overhead screens with the words to the music.  I was singing...I can sing in church when everyone else drowns me out.  Then I noticed the chorus said....(See, I don't even remember what the words were)...blah, blah, blah, REPEAT 7 TIMES!!!  Wow!  I truly never noticed the repetive words until today.  So I took notice.  I looked at the seven singers.  Some were bouncing to the rythmn, some were holding their hand up...the other was holding the mic...some had their eyes shut...but all were singing their hearts out to God.  I looked around in the audience and saw the same variation.  Now, I do believe if the repetiveness was monotone...all the same pitch...I think that is what I am looking for.  Then it would be boring.  But each repeat was more intense in feeling and volume.  As far as singing with God present?  Would we sing those songs in the presence iof Jesus?  We invite God to every service and I believe He is there and is pleased.  

Now old versus new.  I don't know what is old songs versus new songs.  Yes, I know 'Old Rugged Cross', 'In the Garden' (my mother's favorite), 'Amazing Grace' are some old songs but as a fairly young Christian my easiest way to recognize an old song is in the lyrics are 'ye', 'thou', '...est', etc.  As for me, I don't believe I have heard a song in church that I didn't like.  I also agree that some reditions can ruin a song....remember Rosanne singing 'The Star Spangled Banner'?  But times do change and as long as the music and words glorify God and worship Him....it is pleasing to Him.  If we didn't change, then I would have worn a dress, a little hat and veil and white gloves to church today....I didn't see any woman dressed like that.  

Today the songs we sang were "All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name", "We Want to See Jesus Lifted High", "We All Bow Down", "Above All", "He is Lord" and "Jesus, Your Name".  (I got that from the bulletin...no way would I remember them otherwise) I don't know if they are old songs or new or which one had the repeated chorus but I do know that they were heartfelt and glorifying God whose was present in His house.

Our sermon today was not a sermon.  Pastor David and two other gentlemen went to Kenya, Africa, the early part of December.  We sponsor a missionary that is from Greenfield that is in Kenya.  His little church has grown from 20 in attendance to 300 each Sunday in three years.  He is in need of a bigger church.  So the three gentlemen went to see for themselves if we wanted to give them $100,000 for a new church.  They showed videos.  What poverty!  But oh, they are happy people.  This is a Muslim area but many are converting to Christianity.  The children are the ones that are in need.  A lot of orphans due to AIDS.  The facities are so primitive.  And here we complain about how much our heat bills are when they have no heat or A/C...not even windows or a blanket to sleep under.  They may have clothes but no way to wash them.  Very primitive.  I think what was said that was the most impact to me was this little church in Kenya gives the first ten percent to the community even though it is a very poor community.  

I didn't realize that my church gives the first 25 percent to missionary work until this year.  Makes my heart smile when I think of that.

Wow!  I didn't realize this bandbox was so high....I am climbing down now.

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Look who's online!   SIXTEEN PEOPLE!!!

Quote from: Mullet on February 15, 2004, 06:02:07 PM
Hey everyone!! What's going on arooun in this part of the site?

Anything new? or exciting?

Zac

Hi Zac...  I heard that there was going to be an exciting hockey game in my city this evening.  It's Junior "A" so I think it should be very good.  

The weather is cold.  How's the weather where you are, Zac?

:'( :'( :'( :'( I am so frustrated!  I have been trying for hours to download 27 photos from my camera, and cannot do it.  First, the icon has disappeared, nothing in programs about the camera software, either.  So I re-installed the software, no photos.  Uninstalled, reinstalled, still no pictures. I get the same steps, but then the pics do not show and will not download.  What could have happened?  I did all those from our trip, and haven't changed anything on this computer since then!!  Grrr!!!

So, anyway, I cannot share my paintings, my photos showing LOVE, my RED photos or any others until this gets sorted out.  Bah, humbug!!

Sometimes I say something on here, and then feel I should just keep my mouth SHUT (or my fingers still.)  Anyway, I still love all of you, whether we agree about the kind of music we enjoy or not.  The church we attend has wonderful music, and so many talented people they have to take turns being on the worship team!  It is amazing!  And what a blessing, too.

Lee, it is great to see you posting again!  :) ::)

I got lots of great hugs from my Curtis, some from Mark and Abby, too.  We didn't go to Golden Corral after all.  They were having a fund raising dinner at Memorial Hall to benefit the high school band, so we went there and ate lasagna with them.  Not nearly as good as Rotisserie chicken from the Corral, but we will probably eat at one of those in Amarillo on Tuesday.

My son in law took my car to his car wash, the Squeaky Clean, and gave it a good bath, so it is all nice and white once more.  Wasn't that nice of him?  :)

Since I can't do my photos, I guess I will go do something else.  Rats! >:( :-\

Hey there, Zachery!  I wish you were here, bet you could figure out my computer problem!!

NARDS:  Actually the song's chorus (four times in all) was:
Na Na....Na Na Na Na Na

Na Na....Na Na Na Na Na

My pastor's grandfather is a retired Bishop in the Free Methodist Church.  Our church was founded in 1861.  and until the early 1900's musicical instruments were not used in services.

As one who was objecting to the present musical style and was trying accept change, I asked myself "I wonder how Bishop Cryderman felt when musical instuments were introduced into the church service?"  He probably chringed.

So, I said to myself, "Self, you're gonna have to accept the change...like it or not."  And to a degree I have.  

In fact we have a drummer that used to play for Tina Turner (before he got saved)  He plays with wild abandonment...well not really.  He told me recently that he could never really "let go" in church, he would always have to remain a little reserved, you know...hold back a little

I get goose bumps when he plays a "riff" (that's a solo, for the uninitiated.)  I really like it, but others have told me they do not like it one bit.

NARDS:  You said it all when you said, "show me the way to the Throne." (or words to that effect)

So, if it's worshipful to you and not to me...I'll try and find the Master anyway.  If fact, he may even be giggling over this discussion....can't you hear Him?:

He's saying: "My children, what you sing or how you sing it...it is not that important to me.  What I will accept is a broken and contrite heart...then you will find Me."

Eddie..........

You wrote:

QuoteI also realize that I am now part of the "Old bunch"...my time is past or passing....."Out with the old and in with the new."  So I do not object all that often.  

I've been taught, and believe, that God's Word hasn't changed but man tries to change it.  The "old" is just as fresh and new as it ever was.  If "old" is to love the words of say, Fanny Crosby, then I'm a very old man.  "New" to me, includes every kind of music that comes down the pike, but it doesn't necessarily glorify our Lord.  I can't sit in judgment regarding what others believe and feel, but I am still mentally and emotionally secure in what I personally believe glorifies our awesome God.  When I sing (Worship) I envision myself standing before a God who loves me (I often wonder why?), and I want not only my heart to sing to Him, but my understanding of each word as well.

As for your "Time being passed, or passed," may I respectfully disagree with you.  You (And I) have  spent our earthly Christian years in our Lord's "Spiritual Bootcamp,"  and we've only just begun.  Yes, we'll be learning "a New Song" in heaven, and I'm betting we'll take many of the "Old songs" with us.  JMO

Janet..........

Your son in law's taking your car to the car wash says volumes about YOU.

Thanks Lee...  And Ed and Janet and Etta Sue and...

Well,  after all this talk about our singing, I'm beginning to wonder now about even putting hymns in here to sing!  LOL  ???

I'm hoping that some will be blessed by them.   ;)  We've gathered together so many and when Larry and I hear one of you mention a hymn we try to find it if at all possible.  All aren't on the internet with midi files but many are.


Over in gloryland, we'll all be singing and worshipping our wonderful Lord Jesus!

LEE:  What I meant, but didn't express very well was.........I know (cause I was once young) that the old work horse is soon replaced with the young horse.

The time has come for me to step aside and let the young crowd do their thing.  While some may not agree with me on that point....I sense it in my heart.  

So, I am willing to step aside.  Where I REALLY object...I voice my opinion.  My pastor has told me he really respects my opinion and because of that (amongst other things) I choose my topics and words carefully.

I also choose to lift him up and encourage him, not shoot him full of arrows.....even though Proverbs says:  "The arrows of a friend are better than the kisses of the enemy."

Nuff said.

If I keep responding to this topic I may eventually move from the Newbie stage to whatever stage is next and it is NOT the one headed for San Francisco.

PAT:  Keep puttin' the hymns in!!!!!

uh oh.....First in forever I didn't turn the computer on on Sunday until after dinner.....only to find out I could have gone to Mommy's for some home-made pizza... :'( :'(  Guess I'll have to settle for meeting for coffee after dinner  ;D

Marilyn, your Post is very thought provoking.  Thank you.

Eddie, I agree with you.....Pat keep putting the hymns in!

Now, must log off if I'm to go and meet my parents for a cup of coffee at at Tim Horton's mid-way between our two homes to end the weekend.

Night all

Hey everyone!!

It is cold here to it felt like 20'f brrrrr at least not to cold. Hockey I hav'nt been much of a hockey fan but I went to see a game in billings It was fun!

Zachery

Pat, you doggone sure BETTER keep putting those hymns in here!  They are a foundational part of Christian Photographers.  I LIKE EM.  

The only reason I don't ever post the words to the newer songs is that the copyrights are a problem.  Since most of the hymns are now public domain in some fashion, I think it's WONDERFUL to put them here.  Keep it up.

Please don't ever think that I don't like hymns.  Karma is singing one now - Jesus Loves Me, and if Travis never learns another song, that one will tell him what he needs to know :)

Hello Craftysue, how are you today?

Every time I refresh the names at the bottom Of the screen swich around? Why is that?

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10:25 p.m. - and it's -15F (-23C)!!!  High today was 8 degrees and the normal high for today is 34!!!  Now...  tell me again about this global warming ???

Another wonderful New Generation service tonight. The message was on encouragement. Isn't it great the way on some sundays all the messages and the sunday school lesson all seem to be on the same subject. The young man who spoke tonight is only at our churchon Sunday nights, he goes to another church in the morning where his father is the pastor and they have no Sunday night service.

I think that was just too much information.

Oh well I will say good night. By the way I saw that Anthony was on line today, (Rainbow). If you are looking in Anthony; Hello hope you decide to post a few words now and then. It is good to see you online.

Pat...........

"Glory Land,"  most likely was a Negro spiritual in it's beginnings.  At least it sounds like it.  At Grace we had (They still do) a Black soloist named Jubalent Sikes.  Never, I mean never, have I ever heard hymns like those by Jubalent.  Two of my favorites (By him) are "Rise Again," and "Blessed Assurance."  Jubalent sings in the Negro Spiritual style, and I dare anyone listening to him to not tear.  Jubalent sang both numbers at my brother's funeral.

As an aside, one Sunday morning Jubalent was singing a solo and to his left rear was a very pretty Black lady signing for the deaf folks in the congregation.  I said in a small voice (Didn't know so many around me could hear me), "Hey Jubalent, look to your left dummy."  Many turned around and smiled.  I said this in affection for him because he wasn't noticing her.  I had the pleasure of telling this story to both he and his new fiancee a few months later. Yep, it was the same lady.  They both laughed.

Oh, Lee, I would love to have heard Jubalent sing.


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He Everyone:

Because I go the The Peoples Church with Oswald J. Smith as the founder and a song writer who has written a few hundred songs, we do sing hymns and his songs.   He wrote songs like "The Song of the Soul Set Free".   A lot of the great hymn writers were men and women of God who had been through tribulations and trials and the music has come from their experiences.    

But we also sing beautiful, Spirit-filled songs that come on the big screen.   They are so anointed that tears come to our eyes while we sing.  Songs like "Jesus name above all names,
       Beautiful Saviour,  Glorious Lord
       Immanuel, God is with us
       Blessed Redeemer, Living Word"These songs are filled with Scripture and so I know they are from God.


I can remember criticizing  the Christian Rock music that my son used to listen to many years ago when my son was a teenager and I am so sorry that I did.  I would rather he listened to Christian music than the crap of the world.  I have had to apologize to him now years later.   I'm so glad he wasn't put off by his mother being an old fogey and maybe completely turning to the world's music.  We have to be very careful when it comes to criticizing music just because it isn't our style of music.  

Today I can listen to both and still feel God speaking to me through it.

God Bless

Ruthie

Eddie...........

Actually, I really did understand your meaning.  The way I figure it is that we old codgers must never step aside.  It is we who have kept the church's standards going from those old codgers who taught us, and we must insure those standards are passed along to those who God has chosen to keep them in place.  If the church is allowed to change for change sake, we might be guilty of helping in the loss of the church's fundamental values.

Two weeks ago Adrian Rogers quoted the World Council of Churches as saying: "The problem with the church today is the Fundamentalist."    I admire your being an encourager to your pastor.  They need all we can give them.

Good evening all.

I had a great day at church.  

I am going to bed.   Talk with you all tomorrow.

Soni

Marilyn..........

So you're a pain in the neck huh? ;)  Well, so are Vivian and myself.  Since we finally recognized our problem we decided to do something about it.  Sooooo, we purchased two foam concaved pillows (That looks like an ocean wave) made by Tempur Pedic.  Takes getting used to, but once you do, you'll never go back to a regular pillow again.  Oh yes, the pain leaves with the old pillow.

Well, it's time to lock the door!

I hope that no one gets banged on the head by the door slamming!  LOL

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