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Morning Devotional...


He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in Him...He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.
1 John 2:4, 6

It is so easy to talk about our position in Christ but these verses remind us that a right walk should accompany right talk.

In fact, if what we say is not backed up by our manner of life, we need to seriously check the reality of our faith.

Because of their behavior the Corinthians were told to examine themselves to see whether they were in the faith (2 Cor. 13:5).

May we humbly do so today.
                                                              --David Croudace

Pat..........

Ouch.  Yep it happened again.  My problem is that I get on the PC at this time and don't pay any attention to the time.  I had post to Liz and it's off in space someplace.

To whomever........

After dinner tonight my friend Tom called to thank us for introducing him to Barbara.  He said he feeels like a kid having been on his first blind date.  It was fun for Vivian and myself.  

I came into the forum and read everyone's posts and they showed one very important ingredient inherent to believers...."LOVE".

If you folks look back on your lives and think of all the cop stories on TV, in the movies, or in the news,  you most likely won't recall one detective or street cop that loved (or even liked) people who use(d) drugs.  The primary reason was, and is, that it almost mandates the user to be involved in a wide varieity of crimes from petty theft to murder.  Knowing this, you know the former Lee.  Now, in comes Jesus Christ.  What's next?  I love Marilyn with all my Christian heart (Only Jesus Christ could do this).  How? for many reasons.  One "He said he will change our hearts".  He did.  Marilyn believed He would change [her] heart, and He did.  He told us that without love, "we are as sounding brass and clanging cymbals" (1 Corinthians 13:1-13)  And, we both love Him for not only having changed our hearts, but for forgiving us all of our wretchedness, and seeing us as future perfect, and, as His saints.  All of us are members of a 'Church" congregation that numbers in the millions, and still growing.  Just think folks, during the Tribulation period the three angels, and the 144,000 (Jews, mind you) will increase our flock to untold millions that will number the sands of the sea.  Awesome.

Uh oh ....    I didn't make it before Pat locked the door!    Oh, well .... LEE, you should be able to duck that swinging door pretty adroitly by now.    Sorry ...  
You know what it is, don't you?  We out here in the West are just hitting our stride when those "others" are hitting the hay!    

Speaking of stride.....here I am sleepily checking in.  Nothing strideful here, I'm afraid.  

 I was interested in the conversations about dropping in on your kids, because I've never dropped in on anyone I don't think.  Not even my parents, up to the time dad was in a nursing home, and I was taking care of mom.   Then when I did go, it was because she was expecting me, and I didn't want a phone call to disturb her if she was napping.

I guess I am maybe too far the other way. I could just never do that.  I'm always afraid that they might be ready to do something else, and I'd be in the way and they wouldn't tell me. haha     That'd be worse to me than them telling me.

Funny how we're all different.  I'm that way from my mom, I know.   My kids aren't all that way, but I always was with my folks and with them.  

 Marilyn, you have come such a long way, dear sister.  What a beautiful testimony of God's grace and forgiveness.  I am just so very happy for you.    I know what it is to be forgiven.  I know what it is to have our Wonderful Lord Jesus rescue you from where you are hidden among all the garbage.....and to feel His amazing Love, and that He actually desires you......it was the first truly pure love I had ever known.  He made me clean again, washed me and lifted me up to Himself.  I know you understand.  I wrote a song once about "You are my first Love.....and You'll be my last.  You are my future, because You've taken my past.  There is no other to love me like you do.....and oh my Jesus....I love You too."    There is no One like our Jesus.....our Lover, our Husband, our Hiding Place, our Everything.  Bless you, Marilyn.

 Still have company.

  Heard from Olympus today.  They want $150 to repair my camera.  There is no detailed explanation of what's wrong or how it might have happened...just "$144 - Labor".  And then the rest for shipping.  I've put in an email request for more info.  How could they expect anyone to pay for this when they don't even know how it breaks down or what they repaired?  And do I want to put this much money into a camera that was under $500 new?     I guess I have to make a decision.

 Night from sort-of-rainy Oregon.  Oh how I pray that this rain would be for California too.

  I love all of you.   nita

Jane..........

Hahahaha.


Nita........

Hi.  I took my Rolex in for a new crystal.  The jeweler sent it to Rolex in New York.  It came back with a $700 bill for cleaning, a new face, and new crystal.

Ok folks, in what hymn do these four words belong......

"RULER OF ALL NATURE"

Jane it must be nearly midnight there in Oregon.  

Lee that is what it is all about LOVE.

I guess they thought if you could afford a Rolex you could afford the repairs.  I have a clock (mantle style) that is not working.  I paid 300 dollars 7 years ago and now it won't stay running and the chimes are really wacky.  I am resistant to paying another 300.  Pastor Dennis by trade is a watchmaker, and he can fix the clock, I just hate to bother him with the mundane.  Not sure what to do.   By the way the clock was my fathers and I am not sure of the age.  Pat may have an idea about that.

I have a question that will spark conversation.  What should you do if you have proof of a person telling a lie.  I was asked this recently and I thought I would go for some wise council.  The girl IWho asked the question has been confrontational (much like I am about lying) but a dear friend says to let the Lord deal with it and not ask quwstions that will cause a lie.  To me that sounds like avoidance.  What do you think.

I am still struggling with this cold.  I have a non stop cough from sandpaper in the throat.  I am heading to bed again and see if this time I can sleep.

Have a good night / morning everyone.

Judy

Quote from: Lee Kirkwood on October 29, 2003, 01:45:43 AM
Ok folks, in what hymn do these four words belong......

"RULER OF ALL NATURE"

Original Trinity Hymnal, #129
EEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee Did I know it?

Good morning all 10.00AM in Holland

Pat that you for the good devotional and the nice hymn. I love it every morning.

Are you all busy with Christmass shopping???
That is also coming in Holland. But the most people
in Holland have on 5 dec. St. NICOLAS.
On 5 dec. they are saying that is his birthday   he also is going to the schools. When i was a child and also when my son was a little boy there was only St. Nicolas. When my son for the first time saw St.Nicolas
he was sick and St. Nicolas was coming in home he has
cryed cryed he was so afraid.
I was happy that the man was going away.
And with St.icolas is coming the jack of spades.
Little children are very restless in that time.
Half nov. he is coming with the boat from Spain to Holland so called.
It is a nice fairy tale but when you have little children
then you are very happy when it is 6 dec. St. Nicolas
away and the children have their presents.

This morning i have read in the Bible Joh.9  NIV
and i love the words.
Joh. 9-5
While i am in the world, I am the Light of the World

I wish you all a very good day
Bye for now
Love RIA

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KATHY

                        HAVE A NICE DAY

                              LOVE RIA

JUDY.

I had a similar confrontational experience some years ago....with Christian brethren from my Pentecostal Church, where I went before we moved across the city...
They worked as Caretakers (can't say where....that would be unfair...She is dead now and he is retired).
The lady offered me lots of cleaning equipment and disinfectant....she said she gave it to everyone...I REFUSED AND TOLD HER THAT WAS NOT CHRISTIAN and THAT IT WAS ........STEALING.
I was not trying to be "Holier than Thou"...I have always been unable to accept things in this way.....P'raps it's with coming from a Police Family.
However, this couple were in a place of High Authority....They would certainly have been sacked.
They were part of the "In crowd" at the church.
I didn't find myself as welcome there again.......

I believe we must stand up for the TRUTH.  Only the TRUTH SETS FREE. and we want all men and women to become "free" in Christ.

STAND UP STAND UP FOR JESUS
YOU SOLDIERS OF THE CROSS.
LIFT HIGH HIS ROYAL BANNER
IT MUST NOT SUFFER LOSS.   AMEN
                                     
"Looking only onto Jesus who is the Author and the finisher of our faith"...

Jenny.

GOOD MORNING FOLKS...

Praise God for a much warmer day here, although very wet.

Thanks Ria for the Tale of St. Nicholas......It is a good story and one which the Anglican Church use....He was a real man and gave gifts to children...
This tells them of the love of God who gave us the Best Christmas Present EVER......HIS SON....
Time for the "heavy" stuff as they grow up......I pray that all Children will come to know JESUS and grow closer to Him day by day.

JUDY sorry you are poorly...My grandson Phillip phoned last night to tell me he has flu and his asthma is playin g up too...more Prednisolone (steroids) and anti-biotics, he likes Nanny to give him some comfort...My Phillip!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KATHY
HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY IN OUR LORD JESUS.
Love Jenny X

Thank you Jenny for the song i have read it and i have sing it in Dutch we also have the song

STAND UP STAND UP FOR JESUS
YOU SOLDIERS OF THE CROSS
LIFT HIGH HIS ROYAL BANNER
IT MUST NOT SUFFER LOSS

It is a very good song

But we in Holland are saying St Nicholas is coming from Spain with the boat.
But he was  Bishop from Myra and that is in Turkey.

Bye Love RIA

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KATHY![/glow]

   Happy to write that we were able to get the desktop computer working and I put CP in here.  I don't know if anyone remembers that everything was wiped out on our computer by a techie - we paid them $75 to ruin all our work    However, we cannot get the printer working now.  We did get the scanner started again.  So many hours & actually weeks of frustration & we sure do not want to buy a new computer.  

I read a few posts and want to wish everyone a fine day today or perhaps if you are sleeping away as it is your nightime - sleep well.  

Coffee this morning with friends & we are sure to be discussing our friend who is still in Critical Care from her anuerisym (sp)  - her speech has all come back we do hear & that is wonderful  She had a lot of people praying for her.  

Here, we are waiting to see what days our friends will visit this week - on their yearly trek from Minnesota to Arizona for the winter.  

Spirituality is tonight at the church.  We come away refreshed I would say 95% of the time - sometimes the group gets too talky or should I say a couple of very talkative people but they have their place there too.  

Carol

Hi everyone and happy birthday Kathy.

We have the sun out today and it is suppose to get to 70 degrees.  The older I get the more I enjoy the sunny days.  Went for coffee at the cafe this morning and then stopped at Krogers for a few items and then at the post office to mail something.  About wore myself out.  

Carol, have you used the cleaning command on your printer.  Most printers, if not used for a couple of weeks will have dried ink in the jets and won't print until the cleaning cycle is used.  At least that has been my experience.  Glad you got your desktop to work again.

Pat, a good devotional message today and there were certainly some interesting discussions yesterday.  

Jenny, glad you are experiencing a warmer day over your way.  Know that is appreciated.  

Judyb, I don't know exactly how I would deal with someone who I knew was lying to me although I am sure I would never trust them again in what they said until it was proven.  

Ria, thanks for sharing the story behind St. Nicholas.  

Good to see everyone posting.

Good Morning: Thank you Past for the devotional this morning. It is good to see everyone who has already been here.

Lee I knew when I posted about my son's father and the MM and the AB that you would understand what I was talking about. Two very bad groups.

I have been watching about the fires this morning, I am so glad that I moved up here when I did. I see they have evacuated Big Bear which is only 25 miles from Lucerne Valley. LV Must really be full of smoke. I am praying for all my friends there.

Yesterday Bea said to me " I wonder what sins have been commited that would cause all these places to be burning up, they must have been awfully bad". Or something like that anyway, I have paraphrased he words.

Going to look at the other forums now

TTYL

 

It is a PARTY!

Mieka, Al Moak, Janet, Heather Brunet, Larry Hanna, Jenny, Marilyn Fisher, Sonifo, Pat Scott, Nita, Etta Sue [/color]


Happy Birthday Ms Kathy  

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And many more

JANE GEORGE has just been and brought me Holy Communion. I feel better already. Thank-you Jesus!

We read John 14 "Let not your heart be troubled..........
and I will pray the Father and He will give you another Comforter.to abide with you forever." verses 1-16.

My eye fell upon the words of verse 17...and I thought again of you dear JUDY B.

"THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE .............BUT YOU KNOW HIM; FOR HE DWELLETH WITH YOU AND SHALL BE IN YOU"

We can do nothing against the Truth as Christians, because HE .........TRUTH........dwells in us! AMEN!

                           MARILYN

As I received the sacraments, I brought YOU before Our Lord Jesus....I called out your Name dear sister.

JESUS, LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS....PRAISE YOU....BLESS YOUR NAME.

Jenny.

MIEKA..............THANKS FOR THE PARTY....

WHO MADE THE CAKES?..........

I AM GOING TO HAVE A NICE CUP OF TEA....AGAIN!!!!

LOVE TO ALL ON LINE..
JENNY.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KATHY!!  And many more!

Lots of good food for thought here today.  Jenny, I agree with you 100%!  We have had discussions about that (Darrel and I) because we are in the security business.  He says so many who work in schools and offices think nothing of taking paper, pens, pencils, paper clips, etc. home from their work place, for their private use, and it is stealing!  I guess some maybe never thought of it as such, but can you imagine the millions of $$ worth of such things that are taken each year?  Good for you, for refusing to accept the cleaning supplies.  We need to be honest in ALL our dealings!

Carol!  good to see you this morning!  I am so sorry about all those pesky computer problems you've been having.  It is amazing how, once we start using a computer, we get so dependent on it.  I am having some problems, too.  My grandson who helps me with mine says I need to buy more memory, and maybe reformat the hard drive.  (I have no earthly idea how to do that!)

Lee, I agree with you, this is a place filled with love.  And I am happy that we can sometimes disagree without being disagreeable!

Mieka! You are learning!  Pretty soon you will be singing along with us!  ((((hugs))))

Hello, Larry!  Tomorrow, drop by our house for coffee.  What time shall we expect you?  (Don't I wish?)

Hello, Ria!  Three years ago, I was in Romania on a missionary trip at the time of St. Nicholas Day.  The children all put out their shoes and received candy and small gifts.  They were excited and happy, and I didn't see any who were afraid.  But this was a Christian orphanage we were working with; that may have been the difference.  The workers were all so good in teaching the children of the love of Jesus.  I met an older boy at one of the medical clinics we did.  His name was Alex, he was 18 years old, and he told me that was the last year that he would get to put out his shoes for the treats!  He was so sweet and childlike.  I shared my little lunch with him and he was very appreciative.  I met several kids I just wanted to bundle up and bring home with me!

Nita I have three kids whom I feel I need to call first before going to see them, and two who make us feel welcome any time.  If they have plans, they don't mind telling us, and we don't mind saying "Oops, sorry!  We will come another time."  You're right, we are all different.  I used to think nobody needed to call me first, but now, it is nice SOMETIMES to have a bit of warning.  I may want to put on makeup or straighten the house before they get here!  But any of my family and friends are welcome any time.

I think I will hit post before this turnes into a book!

Good morning, folks!

Ria~we don't do the St. Nicholas or Santa Claus thing here at our house.  We focus on Jesus Christ.  We know he wasn't born on that exact day but we still use that day to celebrate his birth.  
All through the month of December we talk about what he has done for us and we make Birthday cards for him and put them on the fireplace mantel.  We have church plays and sing praises to him.  There are many kids here who believe in Santa Claus.  I feel it is just a big lie parents tell their kids.  Just my oppinion.  Oh ya...we don't do the easter bunny thing either.  

The reason why is I remember when I found out there wasn't a santa claus.  I was so sad.  I wondered why my parents had lied to me.  

How did all you feel when you found out?  

HA HA PAT IS THAT A PICTURE OF YOU?

I have two dogs on either side of me begging for attention and pets. Happdog is all up in my lap with his face bumping my arm. Gotta go now and give them some lovin'.

HI everyone!

This is just going to be a quick post, I have a number of things that I am looking forward to doing today,  but felt that I must get in here and start my day off right!

Ria, I love hearing from you when you tell us things of Holland.  My mom and dad tried to tell us growing up the traditions from Holland, but I am afraid I have forgotten many of the things that they taught us.  So it is good for me to be reminded.  

I have placed some pretty big goals on myself in the last while, deciding that there are things that I wanted to do while I was growing up that I never took the time to do.  One of those things is going back to school and getting my dipolma.  I was one of those foolish teens who decided to drop out of school because it was boring.  Well I have finally taken the advice that I have been giving my 9 yr old step son, to heart.....if I want to get to the challenging stuff, I first have to go through the boring stuff.  So I have an appointment next week with the adult learning center here in Cambridge, to get myself into some correspondence courses, to at least start to fulfill my dreams of higher education.  

While growing up I wanted to be a doctor, a brain surgeon to be exact.  Then it changed to other kinds of doctors, finanally ending up with my dream to be a "Baby" doctor, or an Obstatrician (sp).  I was then going to settle and take a midwifery course, so that I could still deliver babies.  Well my focus has changed again.  This time off medicine all together.  As much as I think the life of a doctor would be a facinating one, I like my sleep to much to be a doctor, with all the on call days, etc.    So my focus has changed to social work.  My sister in law, whom I adore, (she has become my best friend) is going through University to be a social worker.  I often help her with her papers and assignments.  She has trouble sometimes simplifying things, and has disconvered that I have a knack of being able to simplify just about anything...so she looks to me for help quite often.  I am learning all kinds of things by doing this.  Jon has commented a few times that I am starting to sound like a social worker with the way I talk.  

Anyway, this now being my goal and focus, I first need to finish my high school.  Not for the University I would choose to go to, as I could go into that school as an adult student, and after writing an entrance exam, I wouldn't need my OSSD, but as a personal goal, and the desire to do "the boring things in life" so I can move on to the more challenging things in life.

Have a great day everyone.  This has certainly turned into a longer post than I first intended.

Love to all
Heather

Santa Claus Day.

That is something I could participate in.  The 5th of December is well away from the 25th and would take the commertialism away from the rememberance of His birth.  Ria Mom and Dad would tell me that the 25th would be spent like a Holy Day, a special Sunday with church services and so on.  Is this still done?  At one time I had a record for the shildren with Santa Clause songs on it.  It was well used and got quite scratched.  Heather Bonnie and Doug loved to listen to it.

Three traditions we as a church family starts the first weekend of December.  We have a dinner put on by our ladies society.  The week before Christmas on the Sunday evening the SundaySchool children put on a concert or a play complete with a nativity scene.  They have already been practixing sor this.  Finally Christmas Eve we have a candlelight service and anyone who has a song or verse can participate.  We have a wonderful time for an hour then head home to spend the evening and Christmas Day with family.

Boy!  I was so windy that several came in while I was posting!  

Pat, that frog is just TOO cute!!  I laughed right out loud!

Hugs to Marilyn, Jane, Mieka, Pat, JudyB, Judy Mc, Jenny, Ria, Larry, Papa John, Lee, Carol, ............uh........knowledge delay!  Well, hugs to ALL of you!!

And now several more!!  WE must all be on similar schedules today!

Hi, Sonja!  ((((hugs))))

Hi, Heather!  Good for you!  

JANET....  YOU........were so WINDY!!!!!

Alkaseltzer.....BICARB!!!!

Quote from: Pat Scott on October 29, 2003, 10:39:39 AM

GOOD MORNING!
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Hi Aunt Pat!!!  I love it!!!  This is just how I was feeling this morning!

Love you
Heather

Marilyn I have Jake and Bruno bumping my arm too most mornings.  Jake gets his head right under my hand to totallt stop me from typing.  It is so funny,  he wants all my attention on him and nothing else.  I give him the attention and he is content . . . . . for about 5 minutes then it starts again.  LOL LOL LOL  His blindness is increasing, if he sees something unusual, even if he can get around it, (if I park the car in a different place) he will stop and not try to go around at all unless I am there to guide him.  I am his seeing eye person.

So Sad

Quote from: JudyB on October 29, 2003, 11:03:14 AM
Marilyn I have Jake and Bruno bumping my arm too most mornings.  Jake gets his head right under my hand to totallt stop me from typing.  It is so funny,  he wants all my attention on him and nothing else.  I give him the attention and he is content . . . . . for about 5 minutes then it starts again.  LOL LOL LOL  His blindness is increasing, if he sees something unusual, even if he can get around it, (if I park the car in a different place) he will stop and not try to go around at all unless I am there to guide him.  I am his seeing eye person.

So Sad

Poor Jakey.....reading this brought tears to my eyes.....He is such a sweet dog.  I really miss him.  Give him a hug from me please.  

Love from me

Hey Pat

Somebody woke up grumpy. FROG.

Anybody know what FROG means! ! ! !

Shhhhhhhhh Heather

I just wanted to share with you all how my last few days have been going.  

I have a purpose, not sure what it is yet but I have a purpose.  God made me and loves me.    I am telling myself that every chance I get.  Me being here isn't about me, it is about God!  I need to stop focusing my attention on me.  I am not getting anywhere doing that.  I need to focus my attention on God and the purpose he has for me.  

This is the happiest I have been in a long time.   or maybe ever.  I am understanding it now.  All this time I was reading the bible and doing what was right, but not having a purpose and knowing there is a purpose for me.  

God does not lie, He can not lie so I need to trust Him and believe what He says is true.  Thank you Lee!  You helped me with that.  

You all are so great! Thank you all for being my friend.

Thanks Etta Sue for the book recommendation.  I love it.  My family loves it.  We are memerizing scripture everyday.

You know what else is cool?  This past week as God has been speaking to me through all of you and just in the little things in my life that go on daily here.  He has guided me to this point and I trust that he will guide me even farther.  Man, that is so awesome!!!!!!!

God is Awesome!!!

Thanks for listening...I hope this all makes sense to you because i am just so jazzed here.  I am not sure how to write down all that i feel.

Have a good day all!!!  God loves you!

Sonja

I am praying that everyone has a God Blessed Day!

Jane ~ How did the MRI come out?  Any diagnosis yet?

Marilyn ~ I call and make appointments (not exactly appointments but to see if they are going to be home) to see my son because they are sooooo busy.  He is 11 miles away and I would hate to go and them not be home or are heading out the door or, heaven forbid, that I keep them from doing something they had planned.  I let Tony know that Jerry and I were stopping last evening.  Charlene wasn't there.  Two times now.  I kiddingly let him know that I was getting the message that she didn't want to see us.  Talk about someone that has the candle lit at both ends...Charlene does!  But she is a sweetie!  Two of Charlene's kids haven't been in this house and I have been here 2 years next month.  That is okay....they are busy like their Mama.

In our small group, it was discussed how we portrayed God when we were a child.  Some said they were scared of God because he was Father and their own father was not a kindly nice man and some were even missing from the family.  I think that would be hard.  Jesus Christ was a friendly God where the Father wasn't so friendly as portrayed in the OT.  

Okay...I am determined to do these PSP lessons and get them out of my way.  I do believe they bring some stress to my life.  But I am also not a quiter...when I start something, I stick with it until it is done.  So as soon as I get caught up and eat a bite of lunch, then it is lesson time for me.  Homestead emailed me another fix for my Website but it still doesn't work....

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"When things are bad, we take comfort in the thought that they could always be worse.  And when they are, we find hope in the thought that things are so bad they have to get better."

Wow!  That sure fits yesterday and today's discussion!

JENNY

YOU ARE SOOOO

FUNNY

QuoteJANET....  YOU........were so WINDY!!!!!

Alkaseltzer.....BICARB!!!!

I LAUGHED SO HARD I WENT INTO A COUGHING SPELL!!!!

Ohhh, Sonja, I love you.  What a wonderful message here.

I am on chapter 2 today.

It IS a terrific book!

Quote from: JudyB on October 29, 2003, 11:07:40 AM
Hey Pat

Somebody woke up grumpy. FROG.

Anybody know what FROG means! ! ! !

Shhhhhhhhh Heather

I know, I know.....LOL

Fully relying on Golf!!!!!  giggle......I just had to.  It is what my father in law would say.  And now that I have given a hint, others will be able to guess.....

I am out of here, have a big day planned.

Love
Heather

Sonya thank you.  That was something I needed to hear today.  I have been strugglling too with the same point.  What kind of purpose can God have for a 54 yo woman.  There doesn't seem to be a vision either.  Like you put it I need to focus on HIM and less  on me.

Hi Pat! I love you too.    That little frog is so cute.  LOL..funny too.


Heather~ that is great that you want to go back to school.  You go girl!  You can do it.  I didn't graduate from highschool either, not that it was boring but I had a job and had to pay for my rent and food and stuff.  I tried going to school and working but it was to hard for me.  And of course I had to make a living so I chose the job.  
I did later in life get my GED.  I will go to the community college here when my girls get a little older.  This is going to sound weird, but I would love to learn how to weld.  I would love to make things out of iron that people would like to stick in their yard.    
Anyhow, good luck!
Sonja

Hello hello hello hello
Just buzzing in for a minute before I buzz off to work.

Sonja -- AWESOME.  You go girl.  Keep that jazz!


I really don't mind people just dropping in on me, but when Travis was really little, I appreciated a phone call or something so I knew he was fed.  The biggest reason to call here before you come by is to make sure we are here.

I'll drop by my mom's without notice, but I usually call my in-laws, just to make sure they aren't busy.  

GOD

As a teen I was really afraid.  In so many areas of life I was a faillure.  In school the teachers would give me marks for pictures and diagrams just so they could get me out of their class.  I lived most of my life in a pea soup kind of fog.  How could God love me when I was so unable to meet the grade, or for that matter even see beyond my immediate surroundings.  It has taken a long time to realize that I don't have to meet any kind of grade that my Father loves me for who I am not what I do.  It has been hard.

BUT ..... GOD IS GOOD


ALL THE TIME.

In case anyone is interested, please join in

The Purpose Driven Life[/b].

You'd be very welcome.

Oh, Sonja!  I am so happy to see (hear? read?) you being so happy and jazzed!  Thank you, God!  I wanted to tell you, too, to please read the book of Revelation.  It is the only book in the Bible we are promised to be blessed just for reading it! And though some passages are a little hard to understand, lots of it is very clear.

Jenny........ You got that??? Clear over in England??  I'm worse than I thought!

Hi Karma!  Did you get to sleep a little later this morning?

Well!! Good morning <again>.  For some reason the email notification didn't work for me this time and I have just plowed through   read three pages of posts to get to this place!  Now, while I'm writing, I suppose several more will come in.  Oh, well, I'll just say "Hi" to [size=+2]EVERYONE!!   [/size] that should do it!  

I am really happy that so many are finding "purpose" for their lives.  I often wondered just what purpose there was for my life.  I have come to understand that, for this time in my life, I am to be "restfully available" for whatever He has or wants to do through me.  I just want to get myself out of the way -- totally -- so Jesus can be seen and touch lives as we (Jesus in me) go about the every day--every moment--things of life.

I got an email from my Pastor Ron this morning.  He wrote: "Thank you so much for all your help and encouraging words and PRAYERS . You are such a gift from our Lord. God bless you and your day, and keep on keeping on!!"  That's all Jesus, none of Jane.  I wrote in the bulletin recently: "Today is a gift from God.  That's why it's called the present.  Use it wisely."  As far as I'm concerned every day is a new beginning ... a gift from God ... and I will (I choose to) rejoice and be glad in it!


ETTA SUE~ I don't know when, or if, I'll know the results of the MRI.  There is really no reason to tell me anything anyway cuz I know there's nothing to tell!  My doctor is going to be out of the office for the next two weeks and when he returns I am scheduled for a stress test on the treadmill.  That will be the 13th of Nov.  

I have spent enough time here for now ... I'll be back d'rectly, however....after I find something for breakfast.

PAT~I love your "Good Morning"!!    

thanks Janet.

((((hugs))))

No, Karma didn't get to sleep much later.  Trabman woke up about 6:50, and he was ready for a day full of fun.  Looks like the shift from Daylight Savings to Eastern Standard means that Karma can't stay up till 14 o'clock at night any more....

Hello, everybody!  Glad to see Sonja jazzed up!  

Nita, there's no way I would pay that much to have a camera over a year old fixed.  That is, unless it were a $500 or more camera.  But that's just me.  If you really like it, it might be worth it.  But $2-300 will get you a really good camera, these days.  I would definitely do some shopping.  

Gotta go get some lunch.  I'll drop back by later!

Bye now!

Mieka...........

"Fairest Lord Jesus"  I'm not familiar with your hymn.



JudyB.........

The watch was given to me by my now deceased father. My son will get it when I go "home".  I was pointing out the rip off without my approval.

I am off to start my day.  Thanks everyone for the fun morning.  Have a good day all!

Sonja

QuoteThe watch was given to me by my now deceased father. My son will get it when I go "home".  I was pointing out the rip off without my approval. [/quote

I see.  The rip off's are getting worse too.  My son has a camera that John gave him.  He sent it in to be repaired and it is costion him about $300.  The camera is not worth half of that, he agreed to it because of the sentimental value.  

I am off for French and Art classes.  Melaura has choir practise from 7:00 to 10:00  tonight.  We won't be home till close to 11:00.  

See y'all later.
JudyB

Wow I was off the computer for less than 1 hour and had 2 1/2 pages to read to catch up.

I have been on the phone to a couple of my friends down south in Lucerne Valley. The smoke is very bad there and the people of LV have opened up their homes to the one evacuated from Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead.

The market there that usually closes at 10 pm is remaining open for 24 hours to accomodate the people coming down the mopuntain from BB.

My friend Mona has her whole family with her that had to evacuate their home and some other people and animals from BB. She said the smoke is so thick it looks like night. They have to keep their heads and faces covered from the smoke and hot ash falling  everywhere.

I also spoke to Kitty who is having a rough time because of her lung problem. Pauls surgery hs not been rescheduled yet, not way to get down the Cajon pass until all this fire is over.

Well that's all for now, just thought I would update you on the place I used to live. Pray for everyone.

Heather..........

Perhaps you might set your sights on the basics first, and as you accomplish each goal, i.e., high school education,  Then and only then start to work toward completing your prerequisites.  Only then look to what you will do after that.  I fear we sometimes set our sights too high and never seem to reach the first step.  I did that at one time and after a time and learned it was called "dreaming".

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KATHY..........
Mieka forgot to invite me so i'll just crash the party.

I received this in an email from Francy and Janet...  Thought I'd share it with you all...

God lifts you up, takes you in, and washes all the dirt off of you.

He opens you up, touches you deep inside and scoops out all the yucky stuff-- including the seeds of doubt, hate, greed, etc.  

Then He carves you a new smiling face and puts His light inside you to shine for the entire world to see.[/color][/b]

The latest on dear little Cecilia...

http://www.canada.com/toronto/story.asp?id=0FF2A719-5A48-4ADE-A599-169912DFF06C

Etta Sue............

I believe we can blame adult teachers for making our Lord appear as the bad guy in the old Testament.  Thank the Lord we have the capability to read for ourselves and are able to see just how loving God (Jesus Christ) truly was in the O.T.  And then through our studies we are able to understand His fury (anger) toward His wayward children, and how it was also directed toward His enemies.  

Quote from: Janet on October 29, 2003, 11:33:33 AM
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Hi Karma!  Did you get to sleep a little later this morning?

6:45 today.  Three pre-7am days.  how many days before it becomes a habit?  

Today wasn't quite so bad, though, I had to get up early for work anyway, just not that early.

Just a quick stop by--

Friday had two teeth extracted because of absess, infection, fever the works!!!

Was not a "happy camper" for a couple of days.

Away from work and computer so I desperately missed all your wonderful postings----

Heading for NC in about three hrs. --will be back around the 4th or 5th of Nov.

Take care all , we will miss you --keep my hubby in your prayers for safe driving and remember as always,

Love in Christ,

Joyce

Quote from: Sonifo on October 29, 2003, 11:20:57 AM
Hi Pat! I love you too.    That little frog is so cute.  LOL..funny too.


 This is going to sound weird, but I would love to learn how to weld. Sonja

I think you should do exactly that.  Who knows how useful it could be in the future.

Hey, Sonja, just saw your posting--go ahead; learn to weld;then come and join us here.

My employees are welders/ and sheet metal fabricators; we work 98% of the time on aircraft so it is always a challenge to
get good welders.

Notice I am driving to NC ; not flying!!!

Quote from: joyce robson on October 29, 2003, 01:02:15 PM

Notice I am driving to NC ; not flying!!!

Ooohhh  JOYCE!!    Have a good trip ... and enjoy all that Southern Hospitality!  Them folks is great at it y'know!  

Janet........

You've said the magic words.  "Read Revelation".  I've taught it for over 13+ years and to me [now] it is very easy to read.  The beauty of Revelation is that it is "The Revelation of Jesus Christ".  As I've written before, the O.T. is the N.T. concealed, and the N.T. is the O.T. revealed.  God tells us of our beginnings in the O.T. and completes His Bible in the book of Revelation by telling us just exactly how He is going to bring His creation (The world) to it's close, and at the end of the Book He tells us the good news of Eternity future with HIm.

When we make a study of Revelation we find ourselves steeped deply into the O.T. prophecies.  I've read (And heard) where some people have said they don't preach Revelation in their churches, nor do they spend much time on prophecies.  Oh how these churches are robbing their congregations of what the Bible is all about.  God spoke more about hell than He does heaven.  Of the over 2400  prophecies in the Bible, most have come true and all to the very letter.  There are 300 prophecies about our Lord Jesus Christ, and most all of them have come to fruition, and the next cataclysmic event regarding Jesus Christ will be His coming to claim His church (Known as the Rapture) as found in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.  This signals the casting of Satan out of heaven to earth and the beginnings of the 7-year Tribulation.   I could write for hours on this fascinating and revealing subject.  Yes, Janet, "Read Revelation"

Oh yes.  You mentioned my favorite Biblical verse Rev.1:3.  "Keeping those things which are written in it" means to know, or understand, and he/she will then be blessed.

RIA.

Thanks for reminding me of dear St. Nicholas...a great Christian.  Christmas is about giving and the Spirit of Love which St. Nicholas showed in his life...It would be good for folks to learn more about this Christian man who loved Children and is remembered when we celebrate the birth of his Lord and Ours...RIA you could tell us more....
GOD BLESS YOU DARLING RIA....
KEEP POSTING WE LOVE YOU......

Quote from: joyce robson on October 29, 2003, 01:02:15 PM
Hey, Sonja, just saw your posting--go ahead; learn to weld;then come and join us here.

My employees are welders/ and sheet metal fabricators; we work 98% of the time on aircraft so it is always a challenge to
get good welders.

Notice I am driving to NC ; not flying!!!

Hahahhahahahaha....this made me chuckle..hehehehe...

I had a different and scarey morning.  My oldest boy fainted in the dinning room and hit his head on one of the chairs.  I took him to the doctor and they did a bunch of test on him and tomorrow morning he has to go to the hospital to get an EKG and blood work done.  Yikes!    I was so thankful none of the little ones were by him at the time.  Praise God for that.  

Please keep him in your prayers. Thanks
Sonja

SonjaIts great to see what the Lord is doing in your life-How exciting! I am sorry to hear about your oldest son fainting-I will pray that everything goes well with the test. I also did see your post the other day on Homeschooling..I used to have that book and ended up selling it because I thought that we were going a different direction-but the Lord showed us different. What book is it that you are reading?
GOOD MORNINGto everyone else-hope that you have a wonderful day! I woke up this morning with a headache -we still have that icky cold going around..
I would like to request prayer also for my sister in law and their family ..they live in San Diego-the fires are 30 miles from them but, that was a couple days ago-so were not sure how close it is to them now. Please pray for them.
Also another prayer request we are meeting our Pastors tonight at a possible place where we will be renting our church building-we are in the beginning stages of building a church-please pray for us tonight as we meet there and pray and ask the Lord what his will is.
Well-Im off to start the rest of my day-and get the kiddo's going on their work..plus doing house work! I hope that all of you have a blessed day/evening..
Hugs in Jesus
Rachelle

http://theark-christianretreat.org/arkmusic/imustell.html

Jenny thank you for your lovely words about St. Nicholas.
Thank you also Heather yes you have heard it from
you mom and dad and i think also from opoe (grandmother)
Thank you also JudyB for your words yes you also have heard from St. Nicholas your husband my cousin
John in born in Holland and he has Dutch parents.His
father is no more alive but still his mother (opoe) I think they have told you the story.
Thank you also Larry for your kindly words.
WE have told my son how it is that we are buy the presents.

Pat, Mieka, Jane and i think also Jeanne Lee will coming for today
WHAT A NICE PICTURES CAN YOU MAKE FOR BIRTHDAYS.
I wish you all a good afternoon evening and
night.
And maybe till tomorrow when i am allright not to much
depressed.
And that we have internet  This afternoon hole Holland
has had no internet. There a big problems interruptions also with the telephone
Bye Ria

Hi Everyone...

I've just now finished packing up my Avon order and now the cleanup.  Because of the shoulder surgery I had 18 months ago, I can't lift heavy things yet.  I used to do my Avon order down in the basement in the family room but now I choose to do it in the living room where I don't have the heavy boxes to carry.  Well, wouldn't you know it?  I have empty cartons and bags and products all over the living room when a knock at the door and a friend who I haven't seen for a long time dropped in!  LOL  I had to clear a spot for her to sit down!  Now that would have been a good time for a person to call first!


Revelations/Prophesy
Now, I agree that it's a terrific thing to study Revelations.  I've so enjoyed  doing just this over the years both in my private and Bible School studies.  BUT and it's a very large BUT...we must remember that there are different interpretations in the evangelical world of just how these prophesies are to be interpreted and rather than cause problems with some on Christian Photographers that might not agree with how you or I are interpreting Daniel and Revelation and other prophetic books, we just don't get involved in the finer points of this wonderful subject.  Jack did NOT agree with Ruthie's father, for example,  in matters of prophesy BUT these two men had so many, many really good discussions together over the years and both are now in heaven worshipping the Lord together even though they differed completely as far as prophetic studes went.  


Santa Claus versus St. Nicholas
We really have to remember that while CP is an international site, there are various traditions in different countries.  St. Nicholas was a real man over in Europe many years ago and some countries still celebrate a day to remember him and the kindnesses he did as maybe the USA celebrates a day to remember some famous person in the USA or Canada likewise.  In North America, our mythical Santa Claus has taken over our Christmas Day celebrations I realize.  And that's so sad.    But I admit that last year I gave a neighbour a little gift and didn't want them to know it came from me so I signed the little card, "From Santa!!!" with some little smilies.      I grew up believing in Santa as a wee tot and my older brother had fun helping my father make a little highchair for my old dolly to be put under the tree.  Then my younger sister came along and I enjoyed helping my parents with this game of doing special things for my baby sister (JudyB).  My parents just didn't dwell on it over the years and I didn't have any time of disappointment when I "found out" but rather I then enjoyed helping with my young sister.

But this is just my opinion and everyone has a right to their opinions.

Isn't it amazing the subjects we get involved with on CP??   Everything from #2   to Santa Claus to cars to whatever!  And I think that's great!

               I can do ALL things through Christ, Who strengthens me.

I guess I suffer sometimes through  thinking that some things should be easy to do,
then they go surprisingly wrong!
That's when I come  to realise, that if I want a happy peace in my soul at ALL times then I must involve the Saviour through prayer in ALL of my plans, as I go through the day.

http://www.preciouslordtakemyhand.com/christianhymns/justalittletalk.html

Thanks Chris for that lovely hymn.  We can all learn from that that we are able to "Tell Jesus all of our troubles!"  Many of us (and me included) keep some things to ourselves and don't hand them over to Jesus to carry for us.

I hope that everyone clicks on your link, Chris and reads the words at the beginning of just how this hymn came about to be written by Mr. Hoffman.  

We have such a wonderful Lord and Saviour!

Wise words about prophecy and Revelation, Pat.  This is one of the most widely interpreted subjects in the Bible, and we all tend to believe that "we" are right.  I don't shy away from expressing what I think is the best interpretation, but I fully understand and respect the fact that others interpret it differently.  Neither would I teach my interpretation as fact.  

I also agree that we should be careful to respect others' traditions, but I do think it's fair to explain WHY I won't teach Travis that Santa lives at the North Pole  I plan to tell him the story of St. Nick, and wouldn't have a problem if someone dressed up like Santa and brought Travis presents.  I would simply make sure that he knew it was a guy in a funny suit that was doing some nice for him, rather than a everlasting creature who dwells way up North and rides a sleigh...  I think there is an appropriate balance.  We may include the IDEA of Santa in our Christmases, but I would never tell Travis a lie about who Santa "is" and what he does.  

A holiday to pay honor to St. Nicholas does not have the same connotations as the American Santa at all, in my opinion.  It may be just as commercialized, but I don't want to belittle someone for that any more than I would belittle a holiday in honor of St. Columbus or George Washington.  They are all historical figures who deserve a portion of honor.  

Just dropping by before picking up my granddaughter at school.  

Janet - I'm moving to a smaller apartment in the same apartment complex.  I'll be saving $80 a month...  That's nothing to thru up your nose at!  

Judy B - thanks for the compliment on the "new look", but think it's gonna grow long again!  We'll see!

Hello, the Santa Claus/Father Christmas/St. Nicholas discussion is very interesting to me.  I grew up believing in Santa Claus, at least I think I did (I don't remember much of my childhood, due some "things"), and I don't remember being upset learning it wasn't real.  I did have a friend who was though.  Same with Easter Bunny and toothfairy.  I have heard stories of Father Christmas (who is different from Santa, in some ways), and I have heard the story of St. Nicholas, as well.  Even though we use the terms St. Nicholas and Santa Claus interchangebly, sometimes, they are not the same.  St. Nicholas existed -- Santa Claus did/does not.  The story of St. Nicholas is similar to the story of St. Valentine, the patriarch of Valentine's Day.  It seemed in Europe (at least Eastern Russia who celebrated Christmas sometime in January), St. Nicholas, the real man, was more prominent than Santa Claus.  They celebrated very much like Ria described.

Bernard celebrated a bit different.  He had "santa claus" (verb) but not a man by that name.  He knew that he would recieve presents on a certain night (thus the Santa Claus part) but they weren't delivered by a fat man in a red suit.

My brother in law, or dad used to dress up for my niece and oldest nephew and we would wake them up in the middle of the night and let them "see" Santa Claus delivering the toys.  

My brother has a concept similar to Bernard's family.

Bernard and I just look forward to the presents and food!  ahahahhahahahahah

I do try to avoid any decorations, etc. with Santa or reindeer on them, preferring more "sacred" pictures, but sometimes it is impossible, it seems.

I don't know that any is right or wrong.  Sadly, each year, Santa becomes more important and Jesus less important (at least in the US).  For that reason, I am willing to totally abandon the whole jolly man in the red suit idea.

I remember (smiling here) one Christmas party at the police station for the children of the officers and Jack was chosen/ordered to dress like Santa and give out the gifts.  Well, his bulging stomach wouldn't stay where it was placed (Jack was sort of thin back then) and his "Ho Ho Ho" wasn't deep enough and one little boy started spreading around the tale, "Hey, that's not the real Santa!  He's nothing but a fake!"  We laughed at this so much over the years.

Quote from: karmat on October 29, 2003, 03:56:02 PM

I don't know that any is right or wrong.  Sadly, each year, Santa becomes more important and Jesus less important (at least in the US).  For that reason, I am willing to totally abandon the whole jolly man in the red suit idea.

What a shame...I totally understand and agree..

PINKIE..
I LOVE THE NEW LOOK....

PAT....
THANKS RE THE COMMENTS ON "INTERPRETATION" And SAINT NICHOLAS.

Let us celebrate the Church's One Foundation

            JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD

AND LET US MAKE "LOVE" OUR AIM.

Goodnight (9.15 p.m. England).
God Bless all of you,
Jenny.

Quote from: nards656 on October 29, 2003, 03:55:00 PM
Wise words about prophecy and Revelation, Pat.  This is one of the most widely interpreted subjects in the Bible, and we all tend to believe that "we" are right.  I don't shy away from expressing what I think is the best interpretation, but I fully understand and respect the fact that others interpret it differently.  Neither would I teach my interpretation as fact.  

Exactly, Nards!  We all tend to think that the way we are interpreting prophetic scriptures and the whole study of eschatology is the right way and that's where it leads to problems when we say, "This is right!  You're wrong!"  I sure don't want that in here.  When Jack first came from Northern Ireland, he was a typical Ulsterman--a scrapper and he would have done just that!  He didn't agree with his own father on this subject but over the years, he mellowed and when asked what he believed regarding eschatology, he tended to try to change the subject if he didn't think that the discussion would end up being "friendly".

He loved to discuss with Uncle Bob though  Ruthie's father!  Both laughed a lot as they said to each other, "You're nuts!  That's not correct!" etc.  But never, never, never did they ever end up disliking each other or never did they get angry with each other due to the fact that they didn't agree.  

I just know that both are together in glory having a wonderful time worshiping God.  And I'm sure they aren't discussing eschatology!

  I did not know what is a Santa at all not long ago. But I did have many santas in my life along my way. They are to me the angels of Man.

To my family they are the ones that give of the heart and want for nothing back. I know many many Santas today.

In my Christian home we honor all that are good even if they are not a Christian. We party with others to bring joy to life for all. and then we pray for them and give of our heart with a dream that God will find us all together at His door one day.

For me each of you here have been my Santa. I love you all and I pray each day will be a celebration of life, of love, and of all that is good.  

I have try so hard and so many times to make a most wonderful post to honor each of you as my dear friends. I sit and I have in my heart so many words to share with each of you, but only a tears come out. It is SO hard for me to say a good bye. I will take each of you with me and forever in my heart.

I hope you will forgive me that my heart is not so strong and my sadness it is only the wonderful pain of love for each of you my friends. I love you all.

and I love you God.

I will try so hard to come back when I can do it, and I will miss you all for this time I am away. I thank you that you are all a Santa to me.

With all my heart,

mi

DEAREST LITTLE MIEKA

I WILL THINK OF YOU ON CHRISTMAS DAY AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU.

JESUS SAID "I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS"...HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU MIEKA.

LOVE JENNY XXX

It is always so wonderful coming here...any time of day or night..to 'see' my family.  I cherish the warmth of love and friendship here.  What would I do without y'all?

MIEKA~We love you so much.  It is enough that you express your heart to us and we know of your love.  Just always remember that Jesus is with you wherever you go ... because He is IN you!  You can take our love with you in the same way...and we will be so happy to hear from you whenever and wherever you are!  Don't stress about anything, my friend, you will always be well cared for and I know Jesus loves you far more than even we do ... and that's a lot!  

As for the discussion (or not) on prophesy/escatology... All any of it is is man's interpretation.  God purposely left it a mystery and I believe that if the enemy can get us to arguing and debating and furthering our own opinions he has succeeded in getting our focus off the Lord, our hope of glory!  I believe, also, there will be many surprises and surprised in heaven.  Lets just keep looking forward to that wonderful day when we will all be together around the throne of our King of Kings and Lord of Lords... all our "differences" will seem so immature and futile, in the Light of His Glory and Grace!  

'Nuff said ... I love y'all so very much.  Take care wherever you are and whatever you are doing.  Until next time ...
Love in Him

To all my Christian sister & brothers a big
Thank You
for the birthday greetings, cards, pictures, etc.

I am having a wonderful party with you here today and the cake, ice cream, coffee, tea, sandwichhes, watermelon, cotton candy, etc. etc. etc.               has been (methinks I spelled it wrong )


I love everyone of you and you are such wonderful inspirations to me.

Thank you again! and again! and again!

Don't forget to bring us all a piece of your cake, Kathy!  I love cake!  (Even though it's full of carbs!)

Think it's time to sing again?




Imagine with me back to the year 1746. A ship is docking on the coast of West Africa. Its purpose is to snatch unsuspecting people and sell them as slaves in the far off countries. The captain of this ship is known far and wide for his debauchery, vulgarity and blasphemy.

But one day in 1748, while reading the book "The Imitation of Christ" by Thomas a Kempis, our captain comes face to face with his sin and turns his life over to Jesus, the Savior of sinners.

Our captain is John Newton. After his conversion and dedication to Christ, he became a pastor and hymn writer.

His most famous of hymns, "Amazing Grace", is a testimonial of his conversion to Christ.

From:  http://schfrs.crosswinds.net











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Quote from: Mieka on October 29, 2003, 04:31:20 PM
It is SO hard for me to say a good bye. I will take each of you with me and forever in my heart.

Mieka...where are you going???  Don't leave us!!!

Hi Nancy...

I'm sorry that you've missed some past posts from our dear sweet Mieka.

Mieka has been in the USA to further her education and her visa is now up and she must return to China.  

She's leaving in the first week of November and we're all crying!

We love her so much but we all have hope that she will be back very soon.

Right, Mieka?

(I'm sure that if I'm wrong in my facts, she'll set me straight!)

Sonja ~ You don't know how happy I am after reading your message....I didn't see it this morning.  You must have posted while I was composing.  Maybe my little purpose in life was to encourage you to get the book...hmmmm!  I can't remember if it is in the book or on a video that I saw at the small group meeting, but Rick Warren says that our life on earth is preparing us for eternity in heaven.  If you took a tape measure and stretched it from New York City to Los Angeles. only a quarter of an inch would represent our life on earth.  The rest is eternity.  Well, when you think of it like that...why are we sweating the small stuff!!!  But doesn't it feel comforting to think that God created us to love us and for us to love him in return?  Last evening we all agreed...it is soooooo simple!!!!

Heather ~ It is Fully Rely On God!  I have a T-shirt with FROG on it.  Also a coffee cup.  Did have some stickers but used them all up!  

JudyB ~ Didn't you say you were reading "The Purpose Driven Life"?  If not, do!!!  

Well, I got engrossed in reading all the posts...I forgot to continue making notes.  

I, for one, would love to have a Revelation Bible study.  I have read it several times and get a gist but a study would be very welcome.  And you people that have studied the Bible in seminary schools use BIG words that I can't even pronounce, let alone understand!  

Mieka ~ I try not to think that you will be gone.  But bless your heart, you sure give this person a smiling heart when I think of you.  You are a blessing.

Okay...I have done 4 PSP lessons today.  Some by the instructions and some, I had to improvise to come up with the same results.  My neck and back are burning because of sitting here for so long!!  So..........GOODNIGHT ALL!  I am not going to get horizontal....just getting my feet up!

I have been reading over in SN. Lady Zinnia posted to me that the fire is expected to go through  Hesperia, and Apple Valley into Lucerne Valley and meet the other fire that has come over the mountain down Hwy. 18. I am so praying for all my friends there. I am so glad that I am not there. I had a email from the library where I used to work that even the library is filling with smoke and that they are expecting  the orders to close, I sure hope so.

It is cold here today and the wind is blowing from the north. Looks like I will have to put that extra blanket back on my bed that I took off last week because it was too warm. It sure is cold in my car with the window down and the plastic off. Gotta go put the plastic back up.

TTYL

Thanks for the devotional Pat.  I just got home and have been reading, and reading.....

HAPPY  BIRTHDAY  KATHY

Interesting talk about Revelation and agree it is much to controversial for a group discussion.  Spent years studying the subject when it was being taught in churches and still find it fascinating.

All this talk about Christmas!  I had a long look at it one year and wrote the following, then decided to also post it on the Condo Bulletin Board with my handpainted Card.  Make one every year....now get Amanda to do one ...

CELEBRATION

How strange that people put on such a show
To celebrate the birth of someone they
   don't know.
The stores are gaily decked and manger scenes
Displayed, by folks who scoff at Christ...yet
   celebrate HIS day!
Does a potent, mystical power, permeate the
Christmas air; filling the hearts of mankind
   with an urgent need to share?
Will God touch the world in this season
Of joyless mirth - that all might seek
   the reason for this sacred birth.
HE WALKS AMOUNG US STILL....

                           -Liz W.


They liked the card!

That is beautiful, Liz. You write beautiful words.  I would love to hear more of them.

Marilyn~cold?!  Girl you don't know what cold is till you visited Wyoming.  Want to trade homes?  hehehe

Nope Sonja, don't like the  cold that comes from the snow.

About Daniel and Revelation, I have also done a lot of reading  on both those books and Both Daniel and Revelation several times, and heard a lot of lectures and sermons too. David Jeremiah has a great book called "The Handwriting on the Wall" a study of Daniel. Anne Graham Lotz (Billy Grahams Daughter) has one out on Revelation, But I can't remember  the title and the book is still packed. I would like to have a study on Revelation by Lee as we are like minded.

But to respect all our family here, I don't think it would be appropriate (spelling). So we will have to do our studies of Revelation  in the privacy of our homes or in our churches. It is a controversial subject here.

Last (and probably least) is my reaction to Santa, St. Nicholas.  I have felt very strongly that attributing the ability to know our hearts and lives to "Santa" is blasphemy against our Lord Jesus Christ.
However, that being said, I don't say much anymore about the tree, the songs, the commercialism, etc.  I try just not to be drawn into the discussion any more.  It seems better to me to love people and wait until they ask me.  If they do, then I'll simply point to Christ
Relative to the study of Revelation - I've written a book called "Comfort From Revelation," and it was sold for about 2 years through Christian Discount Book Service, which doesn't exist anymore, I think.  I'm very slowly rewriting the book, and maybe someday I'll have it available again.  It's a wonderful book in God's Word, and I personally believe that it is we ourselves who have made it difficult to understand with our preconceived notions about the meanings of "prophecy."  I am also aware of the major views on eschatology and how they differ.  I think the old arguement between a-millenial and pre-millenial will go on until our Lord returns.  It's really quite simple: I'm right, and everybody else is wrong! (hehe)

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It's really quite simple: I'm right, and everybody else is wrong!

And I guess that's the big problem!  HAHAHA!

  Oh Oh Al are you THE problem.

Quote from: Al Moak on October 29, 2003, 07:51:17 PM
Relative to the study of Revelation - I've written a book called "Comfort From Revelation," and it was sold for about 2 years through Christian Discount Book Service, which doesn't exist anymore,

You mean I have been chatting with someone famous all this time and didn't know it?  Where have I been.

That is so cool, Al. I would love to see if I can find the book somewhere.  I wonder if our church has it?  hmmm...I will have to do alittle investigating.

When people debate their stands on "pre-trib" "mid-trib" or "post-trib", <trib=tribulation> our pastor says he believes in pan-trib ... it will all pan out in the end!

Pat, I love that hymn Amazing Grace.  Believe it or not I sing the first verse over and over to myself and others, if in ear shot, each morning when I get out of bed.

Al, I appreciate your post and comments on a-millenial and pre-millenial as an on going discussion.  I will not ever get into an argument about these things, although in certain company I would express my opinion.

I have a saying something akin to yours...
"you believe your way and I will believe HIS way"  (big grin here)

HELLO TO ALL THE POSTERS AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING  

Boots

Hi Boots!  Great to see you here.  Don't be long till you're back!

Al, I say "You don't have to agree with me--you have a right to be wrong!" VBG

I am watching a program on prophecy right now--bye!

FROGFully Rely On God! right??! that's what i learned it as! we sang a song about frogs at camp that year! i'll sing it later! hi everyone!hope your day was great! i'm just here trying to catch up and read lots of reading!
Sarah

Hello all, Pat, one of my alltime favorite songs!  I love Amazing Grace!

Sonja, your son had the exact same thing happen as what happened to me Sunday night.  I just went through all those tests today.  The paramedics that treated me said it's happening all over the place, likely to a new strain of the flu bug.  I'll be praying for him, let me know how it goes.

Mieka, we're going to miss you so!  

I'm sorry I missed such a full discussion today.  God bless you all.  Jen.

Wow!

Look at what Lee drives!

CLICK HERE

Quote from: Jane Walker on October 29, 2003, 08:16:03 PM
When people debate their stands on "pre-trib" "mid-trib" or "post-trib", <trib=tribulation> our pastor says he believes in pan-trib ... it will all pan out in the end!

My take on the pre-mid-post tribulation debate is this:

Hope for the best - prepare for the worst!

Oddly enough, I was on a mission trip one time with a Pastor that taught Pan-tribulation.  he believed there would be a pre-trib rapture, a mid-trib rapture, adn a post-trib rapture.  To this day, I still can't figure how he rationalized that one.  After that experience, this is one topic that I realize I am just happy if you will just choose one!  

The Book of Revelation..........

I'm not about to bring discomfort to this forum, and thus will not discuss Revelation unless asked.  I will say this though:  There was a time during the dark ages when man didn't dare discuss the Word of God.  If he did he'd be labled as a heritic and would lose his head.  The Book of Revelation was given to us by God to be read, studied, discussed and understood.  (And not to be shelved).  Anything less is to return to the dark ages.  Christians should be able to read chapter and verse and discuss them intellegently without taking offense toward one another, regardless of preconceived beliefs.  When reading a verse that may appear difficult, then a thorough search of all Scripture and all prophecies regarding the verse in question would in fact be revealed by God.  This is why we have His holy Word.  Why else do we have it?  Are we to say to God I don't understand you, so I'm not going to discuss it?  I disagree with this.  I have written several posts in this forum regarding "Christian love", and it is this love that is supposed to  seperate us from those who do not have it.  Argument?  Never.  Learning together, yes.   Mutual discussion, yes.

I guess we could discuss the resurrection of Christ and His ascending to heaven bodily.  Some might disagree.  Do we then not discuss it?  Ok my friends, I shall not bring this up again.  I promise.

Pat...........

Yah sure, and I take Vivian on the back seat to church in the winter as well (All 229 miles)

Just checking in for a few minutes tonight.  There are fires in our state ,Colorado,also and our youngest son is staying at his in=laws in case they need to evacuate.  We can see the smoke from our house as there are four fires.  The good news is that the temperature dropped more than twenty degrees in the last few hours and there is a possibility of rain/snow coming.

We have made some committments to do some Good Works and feel pretty good about it.  I just hope that the load won't get to be too much.  I have been praying that we might be asked for something to fill our time and sure enough, the answer came.

Prayer answered this week is that our oldest son went to church after almost two years of being away.  He went to see our grandson sing - so happy for the news as it is the first step and now I am totally secure in feeling that this is a big turning point.  Our oldest son has always given money to the church but has not participated sometimes for work reason, etc. etc.  I just love these small miracles.  

Oh, I am sad to hear that our charmer Mieka may be returning to China.  I had no idea that she was here on a VISA.  

Best to everyone tonight.  Carol

Love that Frog.  Can we have a mascot??

Have finished reading a disturbing article about two Australian Pastors who may face prison for preaching about the dangers of Islam.  Can be reached using Google:  http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s03100121.htm
 
I hope that works.  Looks like the days of religious freedom of speech are coming to an end.  

Glad we have all agreed not to disagree.  In a perfect world, Christians could discuss controversial subjects with love....This site is about as close as it gets to achieving that state.  But we live in a stressful world and even God's children have frazzled nerves.  We are fortunate to have someone like Pat, who is able to view issues with clarity and send out large portions of Christian love.

God Bless.
     

Awww...  Liz, thanks so much...  

And thanks everyone for understanding.  I've seen such turmoil over the years with regard to eschatology which I've studied for over 40 years.  It's divided many families (almost Jack's) and it's divided churches often and we don't want it to divide our beloved CP.  

Now, have you all gone to see what Lee drives?  What a view he has!

I have some photos of the fires in California from Mieka.

I'll work on them later.

So MAny different views on Santa Clause through to End Times.  I say Amen to lee, I enjoy discussing without dissagreement.  As long as there is love . . . .I believe that is the key.

I have not had the opportunity to check out the news since I came home, I will go to KTLA as soon as I post.

The weather is mild for the season.  Marilyn the temperature change will be a shock to your systen after living in the desert for so long!

Meiks.  Here are two of my favourite verses.  The last 2 verses in the book of Jude.  It is my prayer for you.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,  To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Quote from: JudyB on October 29, 2003, 11:40:22 PM
 I say Amen to lee, I enjoy discussing without dissagreement.  As long as there is love . . . .I believe that is the key.

"discussing without dissagreement"...That's fine in a private home or your church, Judy but it's impossible in an internet setting.  Been there, done that!  And all we would need is for one of our many guests on here who maybe tends to being Pre-millenial Dispensational coming in and saying that what he or she is reading from someone like me who doesn't follow that to start an argument.  And unless I have it in my policy statement that this is or isn't a site for discussing eschatology, we don't have a leg to stand on.  To study eschatology without disagreement or with only love all of the members in the setting would have to be in agreement, right?  Well, there are at least three major divisions in Eschatology and many subdivisions and there's no way that everyone can agree and have no disagreement.  

We have about 350 to 400 hits a day on our site of unique internet addresses and that's a lot for a site our size.  We only have 115 or so members so we have about 250 to 300 people viewing our site who aren't members.
They can all read our posts.

I have found, in my short time on earth, two kinds of people -- Peace makers, and Peace keepers.  Peace makers are the ones who don't mind a little controversy, but they have a tendancy to keep things stirred up, even after the time to let them die down has long passed.  Peace keepers keep the peace at whatever cost.  They don't want any controversy, and they are important because they are the ones who keep the makers rational, logical, and calm.

Is one more spirtual or a better Christian than the other.  Absolutely NOT.  It takes both, for without the other, nothing is ever corrected or solved.  

As far as Revelation is concerned, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.  That is not a statement of apathy, just a realistic look at life.  I have seen too many people hurt because people weren't mature about it.  On the other hand, I have seen fear taken away because it was studied (that was me).    If we were to discuss Revelation because someone had questions about it, that would be one thing.  Even then though, I think it would be necessary to make everyone begin their post with "Of course, I think I'm right."  or they would have to sign a waiver agreeing to be detatched from the conversation and take nothing personally.  hahahah

If it is discussion just to discuss, or to persuade others to your view, I am reminded of what Paul told Timothy (I think), though I can't find the scripture right now, I will get it later.  -- (Rough paraphrase)  If two brothers disagree on something regarding "Christianity" (or faith or doctrine), and neither will change their mind, do not even discuss it."

I, for one, though I am all about learning new things, and deepening my understanding, can join in a debate at almost any church I choose to go to.  Whether I want to or not.    (Is that a sad commentary about our local churches or what/?)

So, continue on, I have a song to post for Mieka, but I gotta find it first.  

Hi Sonja.......  I read what you said that God cannot lie.     That is so true.    Sometimes I will tell a new Christian or a Christian who needs assurance that there is something that I can do that God cannot do!   They will look at me and try to think about what God cannot do that I can do.    Then I will say " I can tell lies, but God cannot lie, and when He says in His word that you have eternal life if you have trusted in Christ and received Him as your Saviour and Lord,  then He means it and His word is true, and you have to believe that you are His child forever!"

The same goes for the older Christian who has to trust and rely on God's Word and believe every word of it.    God's promises are trustworthy.  Praise God.


God bless



Ruthie

Locking the door.  I hope I don't bonk Lee on the head again!

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