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Hi Marilyn...
I'm looking forward to hearing that your new computer has arrived!  That will be so good.

I have a little fiber optic tree that I really like.  It's small, fits on top of a table and I just love it.

So, this one is easy also, but keep watching daily......

"I LOVE TO TELL THE .............."


Iain..........
Good morning my brother.  No, I really don't know if they were at the bridge.  

I'm not in your shoes at this particular time, but I'm sure you count it all glory.  Your afflictions have made you a wonderful witness for our Lord.                                                                          

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Al...........

There isn't one single thing I could, or would add, to your post on angels.  So very well (Biblically) said.

Sonja..........

I'm writing this with all the Christian love I can muster.  In answer to your question about forgivness......How many times must Jesus be crucified?  In other words, you asked, and He forgave you 2000 years ago.  He died once and for all, never to die again. It is you who does not forgive, and it is Satan who doesn't want you to believe that He has forgiven you.  It's a done deal Sonja.  We are human and we feel guilt because we sin, but that's exactly HOW a Christian should feel.  The lost do not have that Christian guilt, so they continue in their sin.  Remember also Sonja, Sinners love darkness, and we love the light of Christ.  And....Ephesians 2:8-9

Good words for us all, Lee.  Thanks!

Karma, watch out!  Nards is sneaking up on you!  Look at the posts now!  43!!!!  Wasn't that number just 22 a couple of days ago?

Shhhhhhhh Pat, he's sleeping!!

Quote from: Chris & Margit Saunders on October 24, 2003, 11:56:20 AM
Dear Sonya,
take Jesus at His word my sister,(Micah ch 7 v 18-20).
Mark ch 2 v 1-12.
Believe Him when He says "your sins which are many, are forgiven you, go in peace."
Luke ch 7 v 36-50.
Feelings can fool you but the scriptures never will, so trust them, not your feelings,
We have all been there at some point in our lives!
So..Head up! Shoulders back!
Trusting in the Word.
"If the Son sets you free you are free indeed!"
His love to you, Chris.

Thank you Chris for these encouraging words. I have added that dought website to my favorites and everytime I go to feeling doughtful i will read it. Thanks!

Ohhhh....  OK  I'll whisper to Karma!!!!  

cuz Nards is sleeping!  

I'm off to a singles retreat from TX to LA - in just a few hours...packing feverishly...  
Hey Lee...riding my bike!  heheh  HOT today COLD tomorrow.  That's how it is in TX.  High temp today 90 - high tomorrow 69 - so I have to plan for that ride home - also maybe rain.  
Shalom to all...

Do you wear leather, Pinkie?

Nards656.........

We just might become involved in a great theological discussion. here.  Ok, I happen to disagree with you and so does the Bible regarding Jesus being called an "angel".  Ok, I ask: Who is it that destroys all of Israel's enemies at Christ's Second Coming?"  Yes, you are right, it is none other than Jesus Christ.  Now go to Revelation 14:18-20.  Who is the angel that "Thrusts in the sharp sickle"?  The vine of the earth are all unbelievers who are cast into the Lake of Fire by Jesus (The angel in Revelation 14).

Now let's go to Genesis 16.  Who is the Angel of the Lord?  The Bible says it is the Lord who spoke to Hagar and promised that [HE] would multiply her descendants (angels can't do that).  It's a good study Nard.  I agree with most of your post, but whole hartedly disagree with your other position.  And I, like you, pray you do not take my post as being argumentitive.  I'm speaking in love.  Bless you my brother.  You're a right on Christian and I love your posts.    

Iain, I hope you know how much your words have touched my heart.  
Thank you soooo much!  

Iain.........

Sleeping.........HAHAHAHAHA

Quote from: Lee Kirkwood on October 24, 2003, 01:58:21 PM
Sonja..........

I'm writing this with all the Christian love I can muster.  In answer to your question about forgivness......How many times must Jesus be crucified?  In other words, you asked, and He forgave you 2000 years ago.  He died once and for all, never to die again. It is you who does not forgive, and it is Satan who doesn't want you to believe that He has forgiven you.  It's a done deal Sonja.  We are human and we feel guilt because we sin, but that's exactly HOW a Christian should feel.  The lost do not have that Christian guilt, so they continue in their sin.  Remember also Sonja, Sinners love darkness, and we love the light of Christ.  And....Ephesians 2:8-9

Yes Sir!     Thank you!

Hey Pat! Now look who's online.

Sonifo, Pat Scott, Cami Cutler, Jenny, nards656, Lee Kirkwood, Iain, Al Moak, Chris & Margit Saunders, pinkie [/b]

We are a busy place today.  I have learned so much today.  I can't wait to share it with my husband.  

Thank you Nards for expressing your thoughts so fully.  I find after reading them that I must change one thing (imagine me doing that!).  We ought never to initiate conversations with angels.  If God sends one or more of them to us as His messengers, and if they therefore communicate with us, then, obviously, we ought to listen.  My problem is that many go out of their way to initiate communications with angels when they should be communicating with God through Christ.  In many cases it borders on superstition, along with curiosity.  As far as Jesus being called an angel, I think there is something we should consider, and that is that in the OT there were several occasions when "the Angel of the Lord" appeared to one or another of the Patriarchs.  Many have said that such an "angel" was the preincarnate Christ.  I would tend to agree.  He too can be and indeed is a Messenger of God - as well as simultaneously being  God the Son.  This does not mean that our Lord Jesus IS an angel.  He is not an angel in the sense of being a created being or of being merely a spirit.  He is God - one with the Father and Spirit.  But He has occasionally been an "angel" in the sense that He was the Messenger of God on that particular occasion.

Nards, you say,

QuoteAn interesting thing I find in Revelation is that John was told to WRITE unto angels!  Rev 3:1 - "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;"... Rev 3:7 - "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;"... Rev 3:14 - "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;"...

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Here again we need to remember the primary translation of "angel," which is "messenger."  These "angels" to whom John was to write were not necessarily of the same substance or being as Gabriel (or others), but were men - men who were delegated to take the message of God to particular branches of the Church of our Lord.

I'm being interrupted again!  Gotta go for a while.  Be back later, God willing.

Great stuff Al - you are definitely improving with age bro. Tee Hee!!!


Here is a link for Lee and Nards (when he wakes up).

The rest have read this before bros:-

http://www.applesofgold.co.uk/mini_sermon_4.htm

QuoteOk, I ask: Who is it that destroys all of Israel's enemies at Christ's Second Coming?"  Yes, you are right, it is none other than Jesus Christ.  Now go to Revelation 14:18-20.  Who is the angel that "Thrusts in the sharp sickle"?  The vine of the earth are all unbelievers who are cast into the Lake of Fire by Jesus (The angel in Revelation 14).

Now let's go to Genesis 16.  Who is the Angel of the Lord?  The Bible says it is the Lord who spoke to Hagar and promised that [HE] would multiply her descendants (angels can't do that).  

You are very correct, Lee, and I've got to do a little analysis and Word study to see how I reconcile this with my generalized view that Jesus is not an angel.  

My generalized view is structured to deal with the potential issue of Jesus' Godhood (is that a word??), angel worship, angels being "created beings" as opposed to eternal beings, and a conviction that Jesus is currently omni-present rather than limited to one spot in space as I believe angels are.  My generalized view also runs into a little conflict with Melchizadec (spelling?) due to the widely accepted belief (mine as well) that this "priest" in some form represented Jesus.  Was he a physical incarnation of the Son of God?  I'm not sure that reconciles too well with the "first coming, second coming" count of Christ's earthly appearances.  Of course, THAT can also run into trouble with the (also) widely accepted belief that Paul was an Apostle because Christ appeared to him bodily.  (I'm not sure of that, by the way.  I don't disagree, yet, I just don't really have enough facts to be argumentative either way.)

In general, my generalized view   is probably flawed somewhere along the way.  I would concede that Christ has appeared as an angel.  I'm not convinced that makes him an angel.  He was at one time a man.  He is no longer a man, and He was also 100% God at the same time he was 100% man.  Does an appearance as an angel make him an angel?  Hmmmm...

As another thought provoking question, since a basic tenet of Christianity is that He was 100%/100% in his FIRST coming, will it be likewise in the Second?  Will He actually occupy a physical body then, or will He simply APPEAR as a man?  Hmmmm.....  I sure don't know!

Good words, Lee.  Back at you in love

Quote from: Al Moak on October 24, 2003, 02:42:18 PM
Thank you Nards for expressing your thoughts so fully.  I find after reading them that I must change one thing (imagine me doing that!).  We ought never to initiate conversations with angels.  If God sends one or more of them to us as His messengers, and if they therefore communicate with us, then, obviously, we ought to listen.  My problem is that many go out of their way to initiate communications with angels when they should be communicating with God through Christ.  In many cases it borders on superstition, along with curiosity.  As far as Jesus being called an angel, I think there is something we should consider, and that is that in the OT there were several occasions when "the Angel of the Lord" appeared to one or another of the Patriarchs.  Many have said that such an "angel" was the preincarnate Christ.  I would tend to agree.  He too can be and indeed is a Messenger of God - as well as simultaneously being  God the Son.  This does not mean that our Lord Jesus IS an angel.  He is not an angel in the sense of being a created being or of being merely a spirit.  He is God - one with the Father and Spirit.  But He has occasionally been an "angel" in the sense that He was the Messenger of God on that particular occasion.

With this "update", brother, you and I are very much in agreement, and I think you've answered some things that Lee had me wondering about as well (in my last post).  Thanks!

Happy Birthday Judy M. and Welcome to Melaura-special hugs to both of you.

Good afternoon everyone..
Just thought id stop in and read the post..
Pat I had problems with one of the lessons with the gold glitter not opening for me but, one of the moderators sent it to me..So, I will finish that lesson today and post my lessons for last week-then onto this weeks lessons lol-Im still working with the kiddo's with their school work-and then I will work on my lessons this afternoon.
Hope you can figure out your lessons-is psp 8 alot different then 7? I want to get psp 8 soon.
Ohhh and thank you for the devotion on angels --funny thing that you sent that out-because the Lord told me last night that he has angels all around us-I totally believe that God places those angels to each of us to protect and guide us.
We all have colds around here and I thought I was going to escape it but, didn't get too!
Anyway-hello to everyone ! and have a blessed day..
Rachelle
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge him and he shall direct your paths. Proverbs 3:5 & 6

Quote from: Iain on October 24, 2003, 02:47:07 PM

Here is a link for Lee and Nards (when he wakes up).

Gonna have to get two pictures, I guess, one for day and one for night....  

Hey Nards, my Bro,
There is a good clue in Acts ch 1 v 11.
Keep the faith,
Regards Chris

I WISH YOU ALL A VERY GOODNIGHT
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Etta Sue ~ I couldn't agree more. I think everyone should at least read Rick Warren's book. Then they will know which way they are headed. He is quite the writer. This isn't for one tribe, but for all to read.

HEY JERRY!!!!  Good to see you in here, my friend.  Hope you are still recovering well.

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Pat S. would like me to say Hi to all, so Hi