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- Creation Moment (http://www.creationmoments.com/radio/archives.asp) Listen to the Creation Moment every day for a new creation moment! We can learn a lot from these! Terrific if you are home schooling.
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- Crafts and Collectibles (http://christianphotographers.com/yabbse/index.php?board=8) This section is not being viewed much and we have some wonderful crafts in there! Ria has sent some fantastic examples of her paper tole Christmas cards. Please go and see and tell her what you think of them. (Wish I could do that!)
Morning Devotional...Blessed is the man.... Psalm 1:1
Have you ever noticed that in this psalm, when it speaks of the ungodly (v. 4) it is plural, but when it speaks of the godly it is "the man," singular.
Who is this blessed Man, heavenly wise, separate from sinners, and undefiled?
Who is this whose delight is in the law of the Lord and who meditates day and night in it?
He is fruitful and prosperous, and we benefit eternally from what He has done.
You know, don't you? He's the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Father wants us to be, each day, more like that blessed Man!
--Carl KnottBe like Jesus--this my song--
In the home and in the throng;
Be like Jesus all day long!
I would be like Jesus.
--B. D. Ackley
Pat...........
Good morning. I know you don't have anything to do with your spare time (Because you don't have any) ;)
Anyhoo, when and if you get the chance, can you take a peek at Dell and give me your advice. We're going to purchase a Dell, but not until I know I'll be ordering the right one. I'm looking at their Demension 8300. I'd like sufficient bells and whistles for digital photography, music, video, DVD, CD Burner, etc. I won't have any speed at all until we go to satellite. All we have up here in the sticks are phone lines.
GOOD MORNING YOUR ALL 10.40AM
Pat thank you for the devotional this morning and for the Link of Thangsgiving he is beautiful
It is dark in Holland and it is raining but
it is 13* C and that is to warm for novembre that is also the reason that we have rain and we shall have the hole week rain. I don't like that also not our dogs.
The factory where my husband is working on 1 januari 2006 is total closed.A view departments are on this moment closed. But they have give my husband a new contract till 1 jan. 2006 then he is retired . But the department where he is working is also closed on 1 january 2004. He is now
co-ordinator and they must give him equivalent work.
When that there no is then he is staying home on 1 january 2004 but they must pay him till he is retired.But he has now an lawyer he is helping him.
We wait what is coming out.
I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN READ IT
I HAVE USED NOW MY DICTIONARY.
AN OFFERING OF PRAISE
Lord, make my life, day by day,
a song of thanksgiving,
an offering of praise,
a celebration of your love
and Your amazing grace.
I am feeling me very good today my cold is over.
I wish your all A BLESSED DAY
BYE LOVE RIA :)
Thanks Pat.
That devotional was a good one. It so hard to be like Jesus "in the throng". I was thinking of throngs of shoppers and the hassle of it all...tempers soon become frayed. Lord give us patience ..Amen!
That was a cheery Thanksgiving tap-in Pat but noticed something was missing...Yes "parsnips" for Etta Sue! Ha Ha!
Well that's all for now. I have some washing in the twin-tub and yes folks I do not have a new-fangled automatic washer...
May pop in later to see those photographs you talked of Pat in the Challenge.
Love and "Patience"
Jenny X
Haven't been here in over a week. Work, work, work has been taking longer each day due to the "busy" season. Our Oct thru Dec are busy every year as the tons and tons of cottonseed come in daily. My job is to keep up with each weigh ticket and pay for the cottonseed..yesterday there was over 80 trucks ( a good 12-hr day for me). Then I have been trying to spend more time in the AM in the Word and studying the Purpose Driven Life.
I still pray for all of you and have my list right here by the computer taped on my scanner.
Jenny, what kind of washer do you have? What do you mean by twin-tub. Guess I'm kind of ignorant about some things.
Ria, It sounds like your husband is having a hard time. We have had many lay-offs here in America and a lot of people are without jobs in SC. I will be praying for both of you. Also, I love your colors I saw your work in thecrafts and it is truly breathtaking ;D
Lee Just go for it! :) I know you have done your research.
Pat, again thanks for your devoted time here!
Lee - It is a Dell 8200 that I have and it is superb. I would not swap it for anything. The 8300 is just an upgraded version of mine so it should be even better. I would heartily recommend Dell PC's to anyone. They are built like tanks but handle like a Ferrari.
Hi Everyone...
Just popping in for just a moment. I have a very busy day ahead of me.
I have Avon to pack and books to deliver and tonight I have the Annual General Meeting of the Guelph Hiking Trail Club and as Secretary, I must attend. We're going to see some fantastic photos too of Russia and the Baltic by a fellow who spent his last extended vacation there.
Whewww... I'm glad that you replied to Lee, Iain as I have no knowledge of the Dell but have only heard good reviews of them.
Ria, I'm sorry about your husband's news. Hope that the lawyer will be able to help.
Hi Kathy! I've missed you. Interesting sounding job you have. I know nothing about the cottonseed.
Sorry about forgetting the parsnips, Jenny! HAHAHA!
Morning all
Not much to say so just popping in to say Jesus loves you too.
Bye till later
JudyB
Hi everyone. Our daughter seems to be over the flu and was able to go to her classes today, including keeping an important appointment with her English teacher. The housekeepers are here this morning so our house will be all spotless in a couple of hours. These two ladies do such great work and we really appreciate them. Pat has gone to a chiropractor appointment and then plans on going to the library.
Lee, it sounds like an exciting time as it is always great to get a new computer. Even though your Internet connection will be no faster you will probably see and increase in speed just because of the faster computer.
Judy, the cost of car repairs is really something. I never heard from the fellow that I accidently hit in the bumper a few weeks ago so guess he decided it wasn't worth pursuing. I think I know the feeling you had after that little accident because I knew what I had done was just carelessness and a lapse of good judgment. Mine was worse than yours really in that I put my foot on the accelerator and then looked up to see the car in front hadn't moved as I had expected. I hit the brakes but still gave him a little bump.
Ria, your cards are truly works of art. Thanks for sharing them with us. Ria, am I readying your message correctly that your husband will not be going to work after the end of this year but will be paid until he retires in 2006?
Kathy, it sounds like you all are truly busy at work. That 12 hour day doesn't sound very pleasant. Hope you don't experience that too often.
Jenny, I sure know what you are speaking of when we get in a crowd of people as it is easy to get very frustrated when people stop right in front of you.
Pat, thanks for the devotional this morning. I particularly like the little verse at the end.
This is Calvin Cove day and we are singing hymns today. They will not be there next week as the day care center is closed for the week of Thanksgiving.
Here's a good hymn to sing for morning time. If it's not morning where you are, the words are still good.
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"May the Name of the Lord be praised."
Job 1:21
Words: From Katholisches Gesangbuch (Würzburg, Germany: circa 1744) (Beim frühen Morgenlicht); translated from German to English by Edward Caswall in Formby's Catholic Hymns (London: 1854), & Robert S. Bridges in Yattendon Hymnal (Oxford, England: 1899)
Music: "Laudes Domini," Joseph Barnby, in Hymns Ancient and Modern (London: 1868)
When morning gilds the skies my heart awaking cries:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Alike at work and prayer, to Jesus I repair:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
When you begin the day, O never fail to say,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
And at your work rejoice, to sing with heart and voice,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Whene'er the sweet church bell peals over hill and dell,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
O hark to what it sings, as joyously it rings,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
My tongue shall never tire of chanting with the choir,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
This song of sacred joy, it never seems to cloy,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Does sadness fill my mind? A solace here I find,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Or fades my earthly bliss? My comfort still is this,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
To God, the Word, on high, the host of angels cry,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Let mortals, too, upraise their voice in hymns of praise,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Be this at meals your grace, in every time and place;
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Be this, when day is past, of all your thoughts the last
May Jesus Christ be praised!
When mirth for music longs, this is my song of songs:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
When evening shadows fall, this rings my curfew call,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
When sleep her balm denies, my silent spirit sighs,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
When evil thoughts molest, with this I shield my breast,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
The night becomes as day when from the heart we say:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
The powers of darkness fear when this sweet chant they hear:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
No lovelier antiphon in all high heav'n is known
Than, Jesus Christ be praised!
There to the eternal Word the eternal psalm is heard:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Let all the earth around ring joyous with the sound:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
In heaven's eternal bliss the loveliest strain is this:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Sing, suns and stars of space, sing, ye that see His face,
Sing, Jesus Christ be praised!
God's whole creation o'er, for aye and evermore
Shall Jesus Christ be praised!
In heaven's eternal bliss the loveliest strain is this,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Let earth, and sea and sky from depth to height reply,
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Be this, while life is mine, my canticle divine:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
Sing this eternal song through all the ages long:
May Jesus Christ be praised!
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Good Morning: Thank you Pat for the devotional and the links you posted today.
I don't have much time to spend here at the moment as I have to get ready for my Ob/gyn doctor appt at 9 a.m. thn go to work at Bea's. I din't even have a cup of coffee this morning because I don't want to have to deal with running back and forth to the restroom.
Ria I am going now to look at your work. and will comment there.
Haver a God blessed day.
TTYL
Pat: Thank you ever so much for today's music and for your thoughfulness in looking for my old pictures on C.P.
Ria: Your Christmas cards are beautiful. It must take hours and hours of work.
Lee: We are considering a Dell for a laptop and there is a good discount of $200 on that one right now - we can't decide for sure but our old laptop is mighty slow and doesn't have any bells and whistles.
This is our day at the shelter and we are going to look at the thrift shop for a deal on sleeping bags first. You may now call me the official "bag lady". They have been giving me wonderful low prices for sleeping bags - this is where our Lord wants us to be right now.
Judy: Sorry about the high cost of your little bump.
Carol
PAT thank you for the nice hymn
LARRY that is right when they him not can give equivalent work then he can staying home but they pay him till he is retired, but he may now not talk with someone from the factory only his lawyer is talking and he is looking what the best is for him.
It is a very very great factory there is also a department in America , China Germany, Thailand and on diffrent places in Holland a view departments are staying in Holland but where my husband is working and 2 others are total going away. But there are also a lot trucks on the road for them that is also over also
a lot truckdrivers have then no work more.
But they have say from the beginning when they have
no work more for you also for the young men they give you 3 years money each month the same what we now have. But about 3 years my husband is retired
but the young men not then they pay no more an they must look to other work. BUT THERE IS NOT A LOT WORK IN HOLLAND.
IT IS A DIFFICULT TIME BUT I THINK NOT ONLY IN HOLLAND.
It is 3.55 PM in Holland and it a little bit dark
But i wish you all a good morning afternoon and evening
Maybe i come back this evening but my hairdresser is coming
BYE
LOTS OF LOVE RIA
Marilyn thank you but making cards is a lot work i am starting in spetembre with Christmass cards and now i must make 6
But it is very nice work it is my hobby a lot woman in Holland are doing this.
Bye
Love RIA :)
Carol... I only found three photos from you and they are here... http://christianphotographers.com/forum/june/
Scroll down to where you see "carol_..."
I'm looking on my computer to see if I have any.
If they were posted on the old CP when Anthony was owner, they would have all been deleted when he closed the site down. I'm so sorry.
Good morning everyone. Dark and gloomy and rainy here. Makes one appreciate sunny days more when God throws in days like today.
Jerry didn't get brakes done on his car...too costly. But I brought him home with me. He should get his new glasses this afternoon and then this evening is our Small Group meeting. I will take him home after the meeting. If his glasses aren't ready then I guess he will stay another night. He will if I don't take him home, I guess. ::)
Ali is so funny. When Jerry is here, she doesn't know where to sleep. She stays mostly in the hallway between the bedrooms. But when we get up, she is beside herself in running around in circles with glee!!!<:))))><<~~<:))))><<~~<:))))><<~~<:))))><<~~<:))))
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Hello, dear friends. Today I want to sort out a lot of books and try to figure out what to do with them! I have a lot of Christian books, but since we aren't having any activity to speak of in our book exchange here, I guess I will give them to the church library. I have so many books stacked around it is becoming a problem. I have two big bookcases to move before we can finish the tile, so that's why I'm into that job right now.
I wish you all a God-filled and blessed day.
Thanks Pat for the devotional and interesting places to visit. I am just stopping in to wish everyone a Good Morning or Evening or.....
Ria, you cards a gorgeous. I posted in the crafts but have to say it again. Sorry about the trouble at your husbands workplace. This must be a sad time for all the people not close to retiring. Seems to be a worldwide problem now and we need to pray for people who need employment.
My daughter is coming to go over the plans and estimates for the suite and will have to go too Victoria on Thursday. This is an exciting time....tho' will take my savings to complete the task. Have always trusted in the Lord for all things, so will continue on that path.
God owns everything we have anyway.
Daily Bread had a nice little verse and a helpful hint to all stating that:
The Human Spirit Soars With Hope
When Lifted By An Encouraging Word.
Oh, I would be to others
A cheering ray of light,
Inspiring them with courage
To climb some new-found height.
-Bosch
Have a great day and I will come back to browse later.
God Bless.
Hello all!
I'm not going to post any great self-righteous proclamations about how to treat our fellow man, because I'm sure to be tested on it by the end of the day. :(
Maybe I should post instructions on how to deal with great riches. Hmmmm.
Biblical things that pass our notice... 2 Chronicles 6...
Solomon's dedication of the temple... AFTER the prayer, he sacrificed 20,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. Whoa. That's a lotta killing animals. The funny thing, to me, was that BEFORE the prayer, Solomon and the people sacrificed SO MANY animals that the "multitude was too great to number"!!!! Considering how many were included in the number of 140,000, it must have truly been staggering how many were sacrificed to make a number too great to number.
I was also rather challenged by 2 Chronicles 7:13. Everybody knows 7:14, but 7:13 doesn't get mentioned. The famous line "If my people, which are called by my name..." has some "pre-existing conditions" that make me wonder if it is used out of context a lot. Haven't really formed an opinion, but it just made me think. Will God ever heal America? Or are we on a downward path with no end in sight?
Food for thought...
Thanks to all of you for your prayers yesterday.
Pat I did a search for Carol too. I emailled her with my results. I am going to look in the challenges too. It is sad when you loose pictures like that. I need to save mine on floppy and avoid that problem. You never know when there is going to be a problem.
Nards, I am going to check out that passage. It is (as far as my teaching goes) a rule to never take a passage out of context. I will check too. Your comments yesterday were to us but I took them as being for me. They go in line with the thought "Are you Jesus?"
Melaura has been having trouble sleeping, it is a rough time for her. Please keep praying that we take the right course of action. The other two are feeling the stress of her problem too. They are practising drill exercises and there is a lot of foot stomping going on. Melaura is the drill instructor. Is she ever loud!
Etta Sue, Does Jerry or you have a friend who is a mechanic? If they do work in their garage then they may do the work for less $$$.
Ria it sounds like the package the company is offering is good for you. Is your hubby happy with the offer? What is the name of the company?
Well I am going to say good bye and check out 2 Chron.
JudyB
This was an interesting afternoon. My boss asked me to come in this afternoon to take some pictures for the website. Our State Assemblywoman came to Corinth to speak to the representatives of all the small towns and villages in Saratoga County about funds that will be available for various projects.
He had notified the two newspapers and the TV stations and was hopeful there'd be some coverage, but still wanted some photos for our web. Come to find out, only one reporter showed up and believe it or not he came without a camera! When the ceremonies were over he came up to me and asked could I please email him some of those I took. Of course, I agreed and have sent him the four best ones. Now we'll see whether any of them get into the paper. (https://www.christianphotographers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.adelphia.net%2F%7Epairajeans%2Fv_chick1.GIF&hash=3eb3637e68c748daa7e704e1970aee73e6c26015)
QuoteSolomon's dedication of the temple... AFTER the prayer, he sacrificed 20,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. Whoa. That's a lotta killing animals. The funny thing, to me, was that BEFORE the prayer, Solomon and the people sacrificed SO MANY animals that the "multitude was too great to number"!!!! Considering how many were included in the number of 140,000, it must have truly been staggering how many were sacrificed to make a number too great to number.
I was also rather challenged by 2 Chronicles 7:13. Everybody knows 7:14, but 7:13 doesn't get mentioned. The famous line "If my people, which are called by my name..." has some "pre-existing conditions" that make me wonder if it is used out of context a lot. Haven't really formed an opinion, but it just made me think. Will God ever heal America? Or are we on a downward path with no end in sight?
As I read this I was WOWed by the events.
1 Before the prayer of Solomon there was HUGE sacrifice.
2 Then came Solomons prayer.
3. Before the well known passage of 2 Chron 7:14 there was a week, 7 days, sacrifice and feasting. 2000 oxen and 20,000 sheep. V 7 the alter he built was unable to receive the offerings.
4 He sent the people home, THEN the Lord appeared to Solomon.
5, Verse 12 is the beginning of the Lords answer to all the sacrifices. Verse 13 is the answer to turning God's face back to His people.
Will God heal America? I don't know. Unless ALL His people turn away from controversy and sin then turn to God and in unison follow the steps in verse 14.....................................I personally don't think so.
Any other ideas?
Good points, JudyB.
Part of my "wondering" was this....
This "statement" was DIRECTLY given to Solomon in reference to Israel. The use of the words "my people" is often used in modern sermons as a reference to Christians in America. God's words were about times that He punished Israel for turning away from Him. He was referring to times that He would cut off the rain, make the land not produce food, and put them in captivity. His statement was - paraphrased somewhat - "In answer to your prayer, Solomon, here is what I promise. When I punish my people by making it not rain, or something like that, if they humble themselves and call on me, I will forgive them and heal their land."
What I saw there was that THEY WERE STILL PUNISHED!!!!!!! The promise of 7:14 did not indicate that they would not be punished. It said that God would hear them if they prayed after being punished. My interest was piqued because I haven't seen America be punished. I haven't seen the Christians in America be punished. The promise of 2 Chron 7:14 wasn't given as a blank check to get the Israelites out of being punished. It simply promised that there was a future without punishment.
I also wondered if maybe this verse does NOT apply to modern America after all. (Since it was spoken directly to Solomon in response to his prayer concerning the Temple.)
DISCLAIMER - I am not promoting any of my "wonderments" as truths. Even if I settle my own opinion, you are free (in my opinion) to form your own and you will not be belittled for doing so. These are simply some things that I believe the Spirit led me to wonder about. No prophetic utterance here. :)
Nards some good points from you too.
Sure makes you wonder.
Hey!!! Has anyone else any ideas on this? How bout you Chris, Lee, Jerry? We haven't heard much from the men today.
Since the words of the passage were directed to Israel - God's Covenant people - what are the chances that its modern application is to the present people of God, the Church?
Al are you suggesting that the promises which apply to the old covenant also apply to the new covenant church? I don't know that I have heard that before?
Pastor Al taking that thought a step further, if we receive the promises, then won't we also receive the judgements? Consequences are still consequences, even though we are forgiven. A person who indulges in promiscuity can get AIDS, they are forgiven yet they still have the consequences to live with. Am I thinking correctly?
Have you got problems? Please read on. ~ Janet
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NO PROBLEM!
Don't worry if you have problems! Which is easy to say until you are
in the midst of a really big one, I know. But the only people I am
aware of who don't have troubles are gathered in little
neighborhoods. Most communities have at least one. We call them
cemeteries.
If you're breathing, you have difficulties. It's the way of life. And
believe it or not, most of your problems may actually be good for you!
Let me explain.
Maybe you have seen the Great Barrier Reef, stretching some 1,800
miles from New Guinea to Australia. Tour guides regularly take
visitors to view the reef. On one tour, the guide was asked an
interesting question. "I notice that the lagoon side of the reef
looks pale and lifeless, while the ocean side is vibrant and
colorful,' a traveler observed. "Why is this?"
The guide gave an interesting answer: "The coral around the lagoon
side is in still water, with no challenge for its survival. It dies
early. The coral on the ocean side is constantly being tested by wind,
waves, storms -- surges of power. It has to fight for survival every
day of its life. As it is challenged and tested it changes and adapts.
It grows healthy. It grows strong. And it reproduces." Then he added
this telling note: "That's the way it is with every living organism."
That's how it is with people. Challenged and tested, we come alive!
Like coral pounded by the sea, we grow. Physical demands can cause us
to grow stronger. Mental and emotional stress can produce
tough-mindedness and resiliency. Spiritual testing can produce
strength of character and faithfulness.
So, you have problems -- no problem! Just tell yourself, "There I grow
again!"
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This reading can be found in Steve Goodier's book:
RICHES OF THE HEART
Sixty
Hi, FullyFocused!
I just got back from the dentist with Chandraya. The dentist said she has pretty teeth. This was her first visit and she did better then I thought she would.
I am still battling this cough. Man, I think this is the longest cold I have ever had. ::)
<Sonifo writes note to self "get more sleep">
I got to run. Need to pay bills yet and take the boys swimming. Woohooo...Troy made the highschool swim team.
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Hi there, Sonja! Any mail yet? ;)
Quote from: Al Moak on November 18, 2003, 05:08:24 PM
Since the words of the passage were directed to Israel - God's Covenant people - what are the chances that its modern application is to the present people of God, the Church?
I'm not really positive (it's been a while since I read my personal doctrinal statement, developed under the firm guidelines of Pensacola Christian College :) ) of exactly where I stand on that :) I would tend to think that is correct, but since MOST of the new covenant is a spiritual agreement rather than a physical one, I'm unsure as to whether the "land" that would be healed is a physical one (ie, America, Canada, Australia, or wherever), or a spiritual one (the "land" of the church.) For some reason, it has always tickled my noodle a little bit to refer to America as a "Christian" nation and almost equate it to Israel. That somehow doesn't sit right with me, because Christ died for all and definitely not just for Americans.
I've taken this a lot further than Pat would probably like me to take a NEM discussion, so I'll chill and perhaps post elsewhere if desired. I know we like to keep this area a little less "direct", so forgive me if this has gotten out of line. I meant it as a devotional thought, and I hope you can all think about it, but I definitely don't want it to get argumentative. It's just some issues I wonder about, and sometimes public discussion is a good way to deal with that. Sorry if this is the wrong place...
Well, I would think that God now, in the new covenant deals with us more as individuals in the body of Christ, He says that the sins of the fathers is no more but that the individual that sins will answer for his or her sin, unless they repent. "Ezekiel ch 18."
Reading Paul's letters to the Corinthians, he said that some of them were sick because of their greed at the Lord's table etc.
Also the man who was in an illicit relationship was going to get what he deserved as an individual.
We must not equate ourselves with the Israel of the flesh, God's first covenant people.
We are certainly to pray for our un-Christian nation but we, are not them, this nation and many others comprise of many different faiths and beliefs, from atheists, agnostics to satanists, some in high places too.
There cannot really be a "Christian" nation, just a nation founded long ago on Christian beliefs,
true born again believers are now in the minority.
In the end times "evil will abound and the love of many will grow cold."
We are just grafted on to the vine, and one day our Jewish brethren "our older brothers"
will once again take their rightful place as His chosen people the "true branches" when they recognise and obey Jesus Christ as the true Messiah."Romans ch 9."
But it can be very confusing reading the Old Testament and just picking out some Scriptures,
some legalist reckon that we should keep the Jewish laws because Jesus didn't do away with them!
Jesus fullfilled them in Himself, and as we live in Him we are free indeed!
No longer under bondage as Paul says in Romans ch 6,7,8.
Yes, we should "humble ourselves and pray, and seek His face, and turn from our wicked ways, so that He will hear from heaven and forgive our sins and heal our land."
But that was a command to Israel as a Nation, and I just cannot see our nations' leaders doing this !!
We as Believers are expected to ask forgiveness for our sins daily, hourly, and we are expected to walk in Holiness all the day.
God bless you. :) ;) :D
Nards: I really appreciate your postings today. I am ejnoying the commentary back and forth with Judy B and Pastor Al.
This may not be the place for my next statement if I am out of line please tell me to delete it.
This nation was founded on Christian principles and the teachings of Jesus Christ. Not Buddha Not Mohammed. It really irks me that the government of the USA is going along witht he removal of Prayer from the schools, God from our money and the Ten commandments from public display. It (the government) is condoning same sex marriages, and other abominations, legalizing them and expecting the christians to sit iddly by and accept the decisions made by the Supreme court of the USA. I am so proud of the stand that Judge Moore of Alabama took, for Jesus. I wish I was back there to show my support.
By the way, I got a nice surprise at the doctor's office today, There was a Bible and a New Testament in the waiting room. I complimented the Doctor on this.
TTYL
You and I are on the same track, Chris. I guess what I'm trying to say in way too many words is that I sometimes feel like we waste a lot of time looking for the day that America will turn back to God. Sure, that would be a wonderful thing. But I really don't expect it. I expect us (America) to get further away. And I don't see that Christians can or even are responsible to stop that. We are to be salt and light, but we cannot force our country, our world, or even our neighbors to follow Jesus. If they choose not to, we should still follow Him with all our heart, and He will reward that on an individual basis, as you said.
Thanks! I'll try to be quiet now :)
EDIT - This sounds like I am promoting a pacifist Christianity - but I am not. I am all about taking a stand for what we believe and promoting Christ to the utmost of our ability. We will have some victories. We may win battles. But we should not be defeated by the fact that the world is still "going downhill" in regards to Christian principles. Live it with all you've got. Shine Christ like a beacon in the night. HE IS THE DIFFERENCE! BUT, it's ONE INDIVIDUAL AT A TIME that makes a difference. Let's win those around us! (Ouch, that hurt!!!! I'm a terrible witness...) Don't be downtrodden by government leaders who do not believe in Christ! That's in God's hands. Be a Christian even when no one else is!! God will honor it.
Okay. NOW, maybe I'll shut up....
I have enjoyed the descussion. A lot to think about. It really got me digging, that is what this is all about, getting into the word.
Well said brother Nards. :)
Jesus warned us over and over, that the Church, His body (us) will be persecuted.
Look around you folks, it is beginning in every country in the world.
Christian beliefs are being made illegal.
Regards, and reigning in Him, Chris. :)
Yes nards. I agree too. We are to save people in burning houses, BUT if they won't follow us out of the smoke and insist on staying despite the fire then all we can do is pray. That in itself is in reality all we can do. Pray them out one person at a time.
And we need to remember that WE can't change anyone. Only God can do that.
Why do so many Christians feel they have to analyse everything to death? For example Nards, I could take offense at your comment posted after what I thought was a cheerful, possibly helpful post. Why bother! Certainly this person is anything but selfrighteous or wasteful......
America is not any different from other countries where God is being tossed out of pretty much everything. Answers can be found in Revelation. Our concern should be in trying to simplify the gospel in order to encourage new Christians who come to this site.
God Bless
How often has our Lord said: "Those with eyes to see and ears to hear"? I may stand alone on this, but the USA is on a downslide to the abis. I do not see a turning back to our Christian roots. The liberals are making a wreck of morality and we now await the Rapture of the church. You agree? Fine. You disagree? Fine. I stand on Biblical truths. My Christian life has been devoted to Biblical prophecies, both O.T. and N.T. We (Christian) have but one purpose in life, and that's to spread the Word of God to the lost. Our Lord will take us home after we have witnessed to the last person He knows we will witness to.
I totally agree with you Lee.
Marantha Lord Jesus. I am ready for the rapture of the church. I don't want to be here during the tribulation period.
But I do worry about my children, Will they make the rapture or will they have to stay behind.? Will they take the mark or not?
Nards You brought some very interesting things up today, I for one appreciate some substance in these posts. :) :)
Not any specific beliefs, but thought questions.
Please no offense directed at any posts, just saying it as I feel it. :) :)
This is what I have to add about the world going down the drain.
I wish I was the author of this but I am not so here is the quote. ;D
If God does not close this world soon, then He has an appology due Sodom and Gomorrah."
I have a story to tell and will put it in another post.
Boots
Pat: I was able to glean some photos that I thought were lost - Thank you so much!
A very interesting discussion going on in here - I am only an observing type person and not prone to say anything so please forgive this quiet post. Carol
Nards You also mentioned wealth in the first post of today.
Notice.... this is a story... read it in that fashion.
There was a very wealthy man nearing his death and he wanted to bring something nice to Heaven when he left earth.
He prayed to God about it, and finally God said ok bring something small.
When the man entered the gates of Heaven he was carring a small bag. The guard said he must inspect it. The wealthy man said well I brought something very valuable to be used in Heaven.
The guard opened the bag and saw some 24 carat gold bars.
The guard looked up and exclaimed, "why this is nothing but pavement material."
If you have already heard it, laugh anyway, it might just help your heart burn. ;D ;D
If you have trouble catching on, think streets of gold. :)
Boots
LEE-You will be happy with the Dell-we purchased the 4600 Dimension Desktop with the flat screen-we use dial up-but the speed is faster because it is a 2.6 ghz.
Rachelle
Quote from: Liz on November 18, 2003, 07:52:39 PM
Why do so many Christians feel they have to analyse everything to death? For example Nards, I could take offense at your comment posted after what I thought was a cheerful, possibly helpful post. Why bother! Certainly this person is anything but selfrighteous or wasteful......
Oh, my! I am terribly sorry about the timing and wording of my post, Liz. I was not referring to what you posted at all, and I apologize a thousand times over for it appearing that way! What I was referring to was MY post yesterday where I talked about treating Christians and non-Christians alike. After I made that post yesterday, I had an absolutely terrible day and wound up "blowing up" at a fellow Christian that I work with. My post today was kind of a joke about that, saying that I wasn't going to make that mistake two days in a row.
I read your post but didn't make the connection between what you wrote and what I was writing. I am incredibly sorry that it came across that way. Your post was indeed helpful and cheery. So sorry.
Lee that indeed is a story that catches a person up short. Where your treasure is there will your heart be also.
Nards I am so glad you made the connection with Liz, I didn't have a clue and wondered if I had said something wrong in analysing the passage of scripture. LOL
Boots, I agree, this world is doomed, but that is Revelation end times isn't it.
I have a late night tonight. I have to pick up John at work at midnight or later. I am waiting for him to call me that he is nearby. He has a training day on Saturday and I am going to have to miss Praise Team Practise.
I have a big day ahead of me tomorrow, French and Art classes as well Melaura has Choir at night. I believe they are going again to a nursinghome. The night won't be as late as a regular practise night.
Well need to sign off soon and free up the phone lines.
Love JudyB
Hi folks...just checkin in! Don't have time to read all the entries today. Sorry. Just wanted to tell you of a rescue I made today! I was stopped at a traffic light at an extremely busy intersection in my city, and a little kitten was observed by me, frightened and running under the cars that were waiting for the light to change - seeking safety. Well I knew that as soon as the light changed - all that would be left would be a flat cat, so I got out and finally coaxed her to come to me. I put her in my car and proceeded to try and find a home for her (which I did). She was soo sweet and appreciative of being rescued!
Good story about the rich man's treasure. He thought gold was so valuable and it turned out to be just "paving material" for the streets of Heaven. ;D
Pinkie: I'm so glad you found a home for that little kitten!
Thanks for explaining that Jeanne!
That's okay Nards. I also tend to trip over people's posts now and again...
hey ya'll
we are now 1 and 0 we won the game tonight it wasn't pretty but we won! now we got to concentrate on the game friday they will be a bit tougher! well i'm tired so i'll ttyl
Sarah
Hi Everyone:
Tonight I went out with EE. I went on a team of one Pastor from Thunder Bay and a lady from Montreal. They were taking an EE Clinic and I was the trainer.
We went to a high class upscale mall. I was a little hesitant to go to the mall, but God told me to go, so I went. The first person we talked to, a lady and her daughter listened to the gospel and then accepted Christ while standing in the mall. The Pastor, Gene Howard and the lady from Montreal Josie, just listened. We all praise God because He is awesome!
Love Ruthie ;)
Ruthie -- too cool. God is good <karmat waits for response>
Sarah -- you go girl. may you do well on friday!
I'm exhausted, so I'm off to bed. Have a good one ya'll, and I'll "see" you tomorrow.
Yeah, me too - I too have to make my final comment, then shut down. The document that constitutes us a nation - the constitution - says that our government is "of the people, by the people, and for the people." If that is so, then whatever government does in this nation is my responsibility, your responsibility, and every citizen's responsibility. So I'm responsible for those evil laws that allow same-sex marriages, partial-term abortions, etc. Therefore, as a good Christian citizen, since I'm responsible, I must do all in my power to prevent these things. I know I won't likely be successful, for I believe, as many of you do, that we'll be going downhill until our Lord returns. But I don't serve success. I serve Christ.
Al...........
Well said my freind. I'm sure all Born Again Christians, regardless of how terrible thing are and will become, strive to serve our Lord. As for myself Al, I am never satisfied. I always feel I'm falling short.
Vivian and I receive booklets, books, audio and video tapes from several Christian sources. One of them is Midnight Call. Not long ago they sponsored a "Prophecy Conference" in Atlantic City. We received five video tapes from the conference and we're on the last one tonight. Very enlightening, and informational material from the speakers.
Ruthie...........
Well done good and faithful servant. No quotes, I intentionally left out one word so it would come from me. ;) You're a soldier my dear friend, and you're placing yourself on the front lines.
Night all
Leaving to pick up john
Blessings.
JudyB
Time to close the door...
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